hi,. me and a group of sweedish ppl have desided to amek a realy cool world war two TC. but we need some cogers. if you would liek to help. send a expamle of your work and your MSN name to Pokejoyboy@aol.com

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

"Example of your work"...

I find that hallarious. If a cogger is good enough to join your TC, dont you think he would have already made a name for himself? Take me for example, say I wanted to join... Could I not pass on my reputation alone? Would there really be a required showing of hands? After all Ive done here, all the countless thousands of cogs Ive written here, would I be required to SHOW you PROOF?


Meh, I suppose it doesnt matter anyway. No TC ever succeeds, not for JK anyway.

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Createthingatpos(GBK, 0, '0 0 0', '0 0 0');

[This message has been edited by GBK (edited June 07, 2003).]

I disagger GBK (oh surprise ) What about ATTC? There is also one or two others. Just like GBK stated, couldn't I get in on rep alone, I am just as good as GBK (better is some areas of cog [yes there are different parts of cog ex AI, MP, Heaps], worse then others) so why do we have to show an example. You should do it that you sign on abunch of people, get them to all do the same thing, see which is best, and set them on their different parts, combining some on one area, leaving one or two for the harder ones by themselves. That's what I believe anyways.

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The Sniper Missions. Current project, The Sniper Missions

The Magician Saber System.

I think RoX got MP done, if so then it's a full TC, if not it's an SP TC. There are some other SP/MP only TCs, too.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

right you pick on me ill pick on you :|

i for a moment forgot that JK was dead and there are only five cogers left alive in this forum.. for a moment i thought that some one might take me seriously insted of acting liek over promptiue fools, jsut for a moment i belived that Cog was a artform, that people other form extramly fat and useless nerds coudl write. :@|

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

I dont mean to pick on you. Ive just been here so long, most of us have, that weve seen a million TCs come and go, quite a few that weve started ourselves. TCs that had promise, TCs that would have been GOD if ever finished. But they always failed. Either from lack of good leadership, loss of motivation, fustration, or simple disqust of the tedious work required to make anything good. Ive been there, weve all been there. Laboring day and night on projects that never get released, because they never even made it to alpha. And then, when you finally give up and throw in the towel, the public has the audacity to get pissed because they wont get to play the mod.


[/rant]

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Createthingatpos(GBK, 0, '0 0 0', '0 0 0');

The one thing is that in the cog forum right now, most of the people who show up right now here are n00bish (there's about 5-10). Me, GBK, SM (is he back?), and HR are kinda the last of the JK coggers. Everyone else has "moved on" to JO. We still are the people to turn to for help. There are some promisising n00bs, but these people are from a new age.
Cogging, like you said is an art form, one that requires logic and knowledge of the verbs of cog. Plus, now you won't even get my help by calling me and the coggers fat useless nerds. Like GBK said, I've seen about 1 mil TCs come and go, I've tried to help out on one or two, and I've been working on two for now (TSM, SATNRT don't ask), but me and only me and they take time. Just one more thing. Cog is what makes JK tick. /end rebuke

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The Sniper Missions. Current project, The Sniper Missions

The Magician Saber System.

[This message has been edited by Descent_pilot (edited June 09, 2003).]

Calm down there. I like to think programming is an art too, but what's ironic is that although most hardcore nerds stay at their computers all day, they won't grow fat because they hardly take time to eat.


I am back, but my lifestyle is completely different. I no longer have all the time I used to for programming/editing, but I'm not ready to leave for good.



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Author of the JK DataMaster, Parsec, Scribe, and the EditPlus Cog Files.

Hey, I'm here too! I have absolutely no reputation for cogging, but I can confidently say I'm better than HR was when the leaked beta was released.

If it's not a level cog, I can do it - I'm currently so deeply into cogging that I almost started this with "if(" instead of "if it's."

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"Anakin, when I tried to earn my knighthood by defeating a Sith Lord, I actually WON."
-Obi Wan Kenobi

We are a dying breed.


Most (if not all) of the old school coggers, guys like Pele and Hideki, dudes that taught the rest of us, are long gone. They got lives, got jobs, got laid, or some bizarre combination of the above. Very few coggers, AFAIK, actully """""moved on""""" to JO. Most of us just left. If I had any common sense, I would have left too, but I just bring myself to quit.


I see quite a few new names on the cog forum these days, but sadly, very few are any good. (no offense intended, dudes) It takes time, patience, and alot of trial and error to get good at cogging. Mostly because even when someone does make a breakthrough, they dont tell anyone. Ive personally discovered ALOT obout cog and the JK engine, but Ive not told very many people. SM, in his infinite wisdom, has written all his discoveries down. (thanks, dude)

This new generation of coggers will get better with time, if they choose to stick around...


Bah, Im rambling again. I need sleep. *goes off to find some knock-out pills*

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Createthingatpos(GBK, 0, '0 0 0', '0 0 0');

Indeed GBK. Too many skilled people have just moved on. A couple stay in the background and post occasionally, and a few (like yourself, DP, SM, etc) post often enough, but we're basically a dying breed. I say we, even though it's been a long time since people have realized I existed.

The thing is, COG has become an elitist object. COG isn't taught, it's learned. New people are shown complicated code, and expected to assimilate knowledge from it. Few people have really tried to explain and tutorialize it. The main ones I can think of are Hideki; and more recently SM. And information, except in certain major discoveries, is rarely shared. I bet there are twenty, maybe thirty people with useful COGs containing new or better ways of doing things. Maybe they were for a mod, or a level, or just to try something out. And they will never be released. The information will never be shared. Perhaps it was because of a desire (or need) to keep them private, or wanting to release it with something that never got released, or just plain forgetting about it. But I think, mostly, it's because of a lack of means to share it. The COG forum is not an ideal place for the sharing of such information, and all other places that have attempted this kind of endeavour have failed. The number of amazing things created for JK is probably far higher than one would believe, but without a proper method of sharing, they are doomed to obscurity.

I wish there was a way to fix this, but so far almost every attempt has basically been like that of a TC. A failure. And now JK's popularity is dropping even more rapidly then before. Which is sad, because in the last two and a half years, it has come light-years from where it was when I came.

Ah well. Not much to be done about it. One can just keep plodding along, making COGs and hoping for the best, I guess.

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His pot is blacker than his kettle!

Phoenix Swords

[This message has been edited by LordVirus (edited June 09, 2003).]

what GBK says is sadly, very ture. Great, skilled, uber, elete coggers are becoming a dying breed. I started on my own, but learned from SM, GBK (props to these great boys), and a little from Hideki, but thats me. And yes, what GBK said very few do "move on" now that I think about it... Sorry we've taken the topic away from the TC, but we coggers never really get the time to do this sort of rememberence. All of us have made significant breakthroughs in our time (mine was in the AI parts of cog), they shape the coggers of tomarrow, until the last of the JKer's die (which hopefully will never happen). Plus, to all the n00bs out there, follow GBK's advice to get better. Do something on your own. Get your own break through.

SM good to see your back for reals. That man right there is a god of coggers, talk to him if you need despirate help.

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The Sniper Missions. Current project, The Sniper Missions

The Magician Saber System.

I highly recommend you learn to cog yourself.

I learnt enough which has allowed me to code alot of TB by myself. You dont need to be that good at cogging to make it work, and while TB's coding is not as good as some, it still runs

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Team Battle.

darn i sounded dumb.....
sry about the insultynesses of it.

its just when i go and see the fact that JK is dieing, only a few month after i found it... it hurts me. deeply. coz it makes the JO engine look girlish...

if you ignore the lighting and bumpy shadery things. JO is not that good. and i cant see a single wepon that couldent be done in JK....

and the engine is so different. i cant understand it :'( its killing me guys. i am working on the best level pack i ever did see. and bye the time its reliced. there wont be any one to relise it too.

i cant think whos sig it was. but one rings a bell, it realy realy makes me think about it. and i realy know its ture "to edit is human, to COG is DEVINE" thats just it, and fool can edit. but i know five cog'ers (not includeing me) that are any good.

and waht realy miffs me. is if some f00l coudl stop JK makeing detail HOM, and give it soem better lighting. it woudl be jsut as good as JO if not five times better.
but then we woudl be brakeing the hole no editng the exe's bit..

i have jsut got stuck typeing so you can run away if you want coz i am gonna be here all day.

Q3 is a severly limited engine. most of the levels coudl be replicated with ease in JK. and would proebly be better. shure, its got some good things to it. but come on. when was the last time you looked at a wall and said "oh looks thats a example of JO's supirior bump maping" :|

and the icarus language is far to limited for my tastes.

and think about this. yes its bloody easy to learn to make a map for JO, but its far harder to actualy MAKE the map.

if you ask me, LEC should relice the sorce code to JK, and remove the copy rights to the engine. then some nice usefull person could open it up. and make it look good. and we woudl have a perfect game.

but unless some one fills a tank with C5 and drives it into there main office telling them to. we dont realy hae mutch chance of that happening.

why do teh gods torment my soul so? that every thing i get good at i do to late.

take pokemon (when i was a boy)
pokemon red and blue came out. a year later i bought them, a year later i got good. but bye then gold and silver came out. and jsut when i got good at that pokemon died.

BotF was a perfect example. i found it, i moded it. it died. literaly. go and try to find a palce to paly it now. :| a year ago you could paly on MSN gameing zone.

well, i have mutch mroe to say. but it will wait for another day.

but jsut as a note. i posted a post with soem cogs in it in the main eding forum. some expert help may be needed.

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

i apologise in advance for the bad spelling

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

JK is dying, but it will never be dead.

If you remake a JO level in JK, you will have extreme framerate problems, plus you coun't be able to get most of the shader effects. JO is and almost always will be better then JK. The lighting, the detail, the shaders, the AI, and the textures. JK is a limited piece of coding, with cogging you can do almost anything, but it will be extremly difficult. Sure you could remake the weapons, and the AI into JK, but there will be many things that keep JO way out in front of JK *coughSaberscough*

Like I stated, there will likely always be Massassi and JK will never be truely daed. Get used to the idea of JO, for almost all of us vet and expert coggers can't. Keep an open mind about it, but if JK is something you like, run with it.

Thats all the ispiration I'll give today, otherwise I won't have any left for finals .

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The Sniper Missions. Current project, The Sniper Missions

The Magician Saber System.

true, JO uses shadery effects and stuff. but if you think about it. they are hardly essential to the plot. the ACTUAL levels, objects and switchs and stuff could be done in JK.

-kicks a book and it flys thru a window half a mile away-

"MY golly gosh. i ddient know i had that mutch force power "

i dont know abotu the fact that JK will never be dead.

tehnicaly dead as refernce to a computor game is when no one palys it any more..

if you go a to a computor games stor, witch would you rather buy if you have no DF games.
JA,JO,JK, or DF?

personaly it wouldent be JK....

how long will it be untill JK is dead? go see how meny palyers are left. then ask again.

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

No, JK is not dead. The fact that this topic exists proves it. The fact that even after Ive officially retired from the JK editing community and am still mapping in JED proves it. The fact that there are still more than a dozen advanced mods active proves it. The fact that when Im bored and I have a choice of a hundred thousand games and I choose JK proves it.




Your right, it is. I remember before JO was released, everyone used to complain about how limited cog is. We used to dream about all the wonderful things that the scripting language in JO would be able to do. Of course, we were all gravely dissappointed, and I now see just how lucky we are that LEC made cog as powerful as it is.

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Createthingatpos(GBK, 0, '0 0 0', '0 0 0');

How do you know? Plus,wouldn`t a good cogger,be one that is good all around,and not at one thing? When a guitarist is really good at metal,but,can`t play anything else,does it make him a good guitarist? No. "leaked beta was released",that statement is entirely false,it was NEVER released,it was LEAKED.....oh..and theres a fine line between being GOOD AT,and OBSESSED

A potter and his clay is like a cogger and his cog. There's complex English for ya.
If you're good in one section, that makes you a good cogger. You know the language and you can apply it to advanced concept in maybe just one area, but you can do it, and do it well. The only way to tell from better or worse coggers is by the advanceness (is that a word...) of whay they can do. Even if its once section, you are still better then your average general cogger. I have my strong points *coughAIcough* and I have may weak points *cough MP cough* so I work on my MP abilities as much as I can to get better. I learn, thats what makes humans teh bomb. We learn off of everything/ But thats a different subject. But ya'll get the idea.

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The Sniper Missions. Current project, The Sniper Missions

The Magician Saber System.

:| gimmie a copy of JED, Parsec, and cogwriter. and ill work miricals.

-grabs tehm outa your hands and makes JK look like god-

just a question. ya'know how redrawing a 3DO thosands of times a second stop it from dissapearing if your not in its sector.

well, if i did the same with a sector's surfaces. could that stop JK makeing dtail HOM?

just one'o'those ideas that appear in my dreams sometimes... it did. in a dream

my god, what if it works.... without detail hom in JK... it would make EF look like dogmeat.

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

P.S. if any one from LEC sees this.

MAKE ICARUS II BETTER THAN COG OR PREPARE TO BE TANKED WITH EXPLOSVIES

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

The current ICARUS (1.33) already is way better than COG in some aspects.

For JA we may be able to edit the game source for SP, and if not we'll be able to build SP off the MP code. Either way, we'd have the full game source to work with, which is written in C, and makes COG look peanuts.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Cogwriter is a peice of ****. What you want is CogPad.

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Createthingatpos(GBK, 0, '0 0 0', '0 0 0');

Well, theres the DBZ:TDIR mod.

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"Computer are useless, all they can give you are answers"/Pablo Piacasso

SF_GoldG_01
-shivers in fear!-
not the startreck clan SF?

-starts runing..............-


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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

I pop in here now and then as well and i've been cogging for g'years, well until i lost it all in a disk-purge at least.

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My Cup of Tea
Capite Terram
"If I had known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself.." -A Scanner Darkly [Philip K Dick]-
NPC.Interact::PressButton($'Submit');

I'm back from vacation and I want to tell you I am resuming work on my ship cog (I havn't forgotten you want it)

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Sam: "Sir we can't call it 'The Enterprise'"
Jack: "Why not!"

cool,tanxs

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD