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i need a cog..

2003-09-12, 7:31 AM #1

hatchyack

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Posts: 145

multiplayer forcefeild cog needed.
cog must:
-be turned on/off by pressing a single switch(textured surface)
-must always be visible when turned on, not just when you touch it.
-must support textured mats
-must be turned OFF at level startup.

thank you.

2003-09-12, 7:44 AM #2

lucky_jackpot

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Hi there

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At the effort of trying to avoid repetition, may I refer you to the cog script I wrote fairly recently, that covers your exact criteria:

http://forums.massassi.net/html/Forum4/HTML/003864.html

All the comment code is there and it works AND I'll send you the demo level, if you want ... what more could a person ask for [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

Oh ... and a big "Welcome [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

" to the Massassi forums (and the Massassi Community) [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

As always, feel free to post back here if you want further help/assistance/clarification with anything [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

-Jackpot

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2003-09-12, 8:24 AM #3

hatchyack

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Posts: 145

excellent! now, can you create a cog that will:
1.Be off at start of level.
2.turned on/off by a switch(textured surface)
3.sets a surfaces flags to be visible, walkable, and make it magsealed and icy?

i need a cog that when you press a switch, the top of this lake will freeze over.
thanks.

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2003-09-12, 8:29 AM #4

hatchyack

Registered User

Posts: 145

...AFTERTHOUGHT....
Will the forcefeild cog work for jedi knight? because at the header it says MOTS cog script, and i need it for jedi.

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2003-09-12, 2:13 PM #5

lucky_jackpot

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Yes it will work in JK - all the verbs are compatible with both engines [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

I simply wrote that, as it's (mostly) the default template that I use with the level series I'm working on (which is for MotS [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

)

I wish that you'd have been more specific about your cog requirements [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

If I'd have realised your intentions I could have modified the script specifically for you, but I'll try and see to that tomorrow (because it's late now for me) and I try not to write cog scripts when I'm tired - debugging the little swines, if you program them wrongly late at night, can be an absolute nitghtmare [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

It shouldn't take me too long to refer to the "DataMaster" to look up the various cog verbs and flags, and I could probably do that now, but it's a case of placing them in the right parts of your cog script...

Just out of curiosity, is it entirely realistic to have the top of a lake freeze over *instantly* when a player activates a switch ... or maybe I'm being pedantic - afterall - we do have real lightsabers... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

-Jackpot

PS: Just as a quick after-thought, remove the damaged message in symbols (and in the corresponding code section) to make your icy surface not damage the player. I think the verb you want is SetSurfaceFlags(), with the flags either 0x1000 (Icy) or 0x2000 (Very Icy)...

I hope this is enough to get you started - I'll post back here when I get some spare time tomorrow - it may be later though .... because it's my birthday !!!! w00t !!! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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Courage in your own"
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2003-09-14, 1:26 PM #6

lucky_jackpot

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Hi there

I've re-modified my code for your particular requirements, and have found this to be sufficient (although I've only been able to test it in single-player, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work in multi-player [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

)...

Code:

##
# MOTS Cog Script
#
# 00_iceSurfaceSwitch.COG
#
# This cog script sets the surface for an icy lake.  At the press of a switch
# the lake's surface may be frozen over *OR* thawed out... so beware....
#
# Additional bonus feature: if you want the frozen water section to damage
# the player then make "iceFreezePlayer=1" and select the sectors for your iceFreezeSector.
# This will cater for up to 8 sectors.
#
# May be switched on/off by either a console (thing) or switch (surface).
# Ice-Lake's surface starts being FROZEN (default: status=1).
# Change status=0 if you want the Ice-Lake's surface to be THAWED at start.
#
# In JED (or something similiar in JK Edit, if you're so inclined...) :
# NB-01: Set +ADJOIN FLAGS to 5
# NB-02: Set +SURFACE FLAGS to 6007
# NB-03: Set +FACE FLAGS to 2
# NB-04: Set +GEO to 4
#
# Set verbose=1, if you want to see print out messages.
# (More for test purposes than anything else...)
#
# This COG script is NOT supported by LucasArts or LEC.
#
# Permission is granted to use this script by the author, as long as credit
# is provided in the readme file for any add-on levels that use this script.
#
#
# E-mail: lucky_jackpot@hotmail.com
# [RJS]
#
##

// Make sure that the cog runs locally on each computer (0x40)
// Make sure that the cog does NOT send syncing info to other computers...
flags=0x240

symbols

message startup
message activated
message entered
message exited
message pulse

sector      iceFreezeSector0        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector1        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector2        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector3        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector4        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector5        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector6        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector7        linkid=3

surface iceSurf_front    linkid=2, mask=0x400
surface iceSurf_back    linkid=2, mask=0x400

surface switch      linkid=1
thing    console     linkid=1

flex    damage      local
flex    damageInterval=0.25     local
flex    minDamage=2.0
flex    maxDamage=10.0

int     status=1                    # 1 is THAWED OUT ; 0 is FROZEN OVER
int     damaging=1   local

int     doesIceFreezePlayer=0

int     verbose=0                   # Used as a test variable.  Set to 0 to not print messages...

end

#==============================================================
#==============================================================
#==============================================================


code

startup:

    damaging = 0;

    if (verbose)
        Sleep (1.5);    // Allow dust to settle for a bit...
        Print ("Ice-Lake's Surface Status COG EXECUTING !!!");

    if (status == 0) {
        if (verbose)
            Print ("startup: LAKE SURFACE THAWED");
        SetWallCel (switch, 0);
        call ice_THAW;
    }
    else
    if (status == 1) {
        if (verbose)
            Print ("startup: LAKE SURFACE FROZEN");
        SetWallCel (switch, 1);
        call ice_FREEZE;
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

activated:

        // Eliminate any possibility that something other than
        // the on-off switch OR console could send the
        // "activated" message...
    if (GetSenderID() != 1)
        return;

    if (GetSenderID() == -1)
        return;

    if (GetSenderID() == 1) {
            if (status == 0) {
                if (verbose)
                Print ("ICE LAKE SURFACE - THAWED OUT...");
                SetWallCel (switch, 0);
                call ice_THAW;
            }
            else
            if (status == 1) {
                if (verbose)
                Print ("ICE LAKE SURFACE - FROZEN OVER...");
                SetWallCel (switch, 1);
                call ice_FREEZE;
            }
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

ice_FREEZE:

        // Floor; Used in COG; Impassable; Magsealed
    SetSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x6007);
    SetSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x6007);
        // Not passable
    ClearAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x2);
    ClearAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x2);  // ALT: SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x5);
        // Geo-mode
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_front, 4);   // Surface face
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_back, 4);   // is drawn...
        // Surface Face Type Info
    SetFaceType (iceSurf_front, 0x2);  // Translucent
    SetFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x2);
       // Set wall cell mat info
    SetWallCel (switch, 1);
        // Reset status to 0 - OFF
        // (think that status should be 1 ?? Try it and see what happens...  
    status = 0;

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

ice_THAW:

        // Surface flags
    ClearSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x6007);
    ClearSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x6007);
        // Adjoins info
    SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x2);
    SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x2);    // ALT: SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x7);
        // Geo-mode
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_front, 4);   // Draw surface face, as normal
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_back, 4);
        // Surface Face Type Info
//    ClearFaceType (iceSurf_front, 0x2);    // Clears translucency
//    ClearFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x2);     //SetFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x0);
        // Set wall cell mat info
    SetWallCel (switch, 0);
        // Reset status to 1 - ACTIVE
        // (think that status should be 0 ?? Try it and see what happens...  
    status = 1;

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

entered:

    // Make sure nothing else can send this message....
    if (GetSenderID() != 3)
        return;


    if (GetSenderID() == 3) {
        if (verbose)
        Print ("Entered ICY LAKE SECTOR");

        if (doesIceFreezePlayer == 0) {
            if (verbose)
            Print ("NO FREEZE");
            return;
        }
        else
        if (doesIceFreezePlayer == 1) {
            if (verbose)
            Print ("LAKE'S WATER IS TOO COLD TO SURVIVE - DAMAGE PLAYER !!!");
            damaging = 1;
            SetPulse (damageInterval);
        }
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

exited:

    if (GetSenderID() != 3)
        return;

    if (GetSenderID() == 3) {
        if (verbose)
        Print ("Exited ICY LAKE - STOP damaging !!!");
        damaging = 0;
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

pulse:

    if (verbose)
    Print ("COG PULSING in FREEZING WATER SECTOR");

    if (damaging == 1) {
            // Do direct HEALTH damage - cuts through shields...
        damage = (Rand() * (maxDamage - minDamage) ) + minDamage;
        DamageThing (GetSourceRef(), damage, 0x1, GetSenderRef() );
    }
    else
    if (damaging == 0) {
        SetPulse (0.0);
        return;
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

end

Hope this helps [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

If you still have troubles with it, or require further help/clarification/assistance, don't hesitate to call back here or contact me personally - if you wish, I can send you my demo level, with the cog script [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

-Jackpot

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"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

2003-09-15, 4:42 AM #7

hatchyack

Registered User

Posts: 145

thanks, ill try to test these as soon as possible, but at the moment I cant use my pc that the files are on, so ill reply when i have tested them.
-Hatchyack

2003-09-15, 4:46 AM #8

hatchyack

Registered User

Posts: 145

PS.
-Does the cog need to be synched for multiplayer?, cuz it is a m.p. level.

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2003-09-15, 8:07 AM #9

lucky_jackpot

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I must confess, I always have trouble trying to "think out" whether or not a MP cog script should be synched or not...

In this case, if flags=0x240 isn't correct, then it will be flags=0x40. I think the latter may be correct, thinking about it...

Try flags=0x40, and get back to me. The code itself runs successfully (my single-player test level demonstrates this [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

) Actually ... I quite like the "freezing sector lake" idea - it works effectively too [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

Maybe I'm just a sadist [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

Anyways - give it a try and post back here - I'm intrigued to see how successful it is [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

-Jackpot

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Are you feeling lucky, cuz if you are, get your hands off me...

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

2003-09-18, 4:25 AM #10

hatchyack

Registered User

Posts: 145

ok, the lake cog is not working. I press the switch and nothing happens, no sound, nothing. Also, the lake is frozemn from the start, it is like the cog is not even there. i set all of the flags like you said to in the cog, but it will still not work.

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2003-09-18, 11:32 AM #11

lucky_jackpot

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Posts: 788

Hi there

Here's your revised COG script - it's been improved and now passes Parsec's debugging utility.

The reason why the previous cog script appeared as if it wasn't working was because, after having written the script, I then posted it here and (as an afterthought) added the flags info at the top, with "//" rather than "#". After testing this theory (and running it through Parsec), apparently this issue matters significantly...

Code:

##
# MOTS Cog Script
#
# 00_iceSurfaceSwitch.COG
#
# This cog script sets the surface for an icy lake.  At the press of a switch
# the lake's surface may be frozen over *OR* thawed out... so beware....
#
# Additional bonus feature: if you want the frozen water section to damage
# the player then make "iceFreezePlayer=1" and select the sectors for your iceFreezeSector.
# This will cater for up to 8 sectors.
#
# May be switched on/off by either a console (thing) or switch (surface).
# Ice-Lake's surface starts being FROZEN (default: status=1).
# Change status=0 if you want the Ice-Lake's surface to be THAWED at start.
#
# In JED (or something similiar in JK Edit, if you're so inclined...) :
# NB-01: Set +ADJOIN FLAGS to 5
# NB-02: Set +SURFACE FLAGS to 6007
# NB-03: Set +FACE FLAGS to 2
# NB-04: Set +GEO to 4
#
# Set verbose=1, if you want to see print out messages.
# (More for test purposes than anything else...)
#
# This COG script is NOT supported by LucasArts or LEC.
#
# Permission is granted to use this script by the author, as long as credit
# is provided in the readme file for any add-on levels that use this script.
#
#
# E-mail: lucky_jackpot@hotmail.com
# [RJS]
#
##

# Make sure that the cog runs locally on each computer (0x40)
# Make sure that the cog does NOT send syncing info to other computers...
flags=0x240

symbols

message startup
message activated
message entered
message exited
message pulse

sector      iceFreezeSector0        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector1        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector2        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector3        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector4        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector5        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector6        linkid=3
sector      iceFreezeSector7        linkid=3

surface iceSurf_front    linkid=2, mask=0x400
surface iceSurf_back    linkid=2, mask=0x400

surface switch      linkid=1
thing    console     linkid=1

flex    damage      local
flex    damageInterval=0.25     local
flex    minDamage=2.0
flex    maxDamage=10.0

int     status=1                    # 1 is THAWED OUT ; 0 is FROZEN OVER
int     damaging=1   local

int     doesIceFreezePlayer=0

int     verbose=0                   # Used as a test variable.  Set to 0 to not print messages...

end

#==============================================================
#==============================================================
#==============================================================


code

startup:

    damaging = 0;

    if (verbose)
        Sleep (1.5);    // Allow dust to settle for a bit...
        Print ("Ice-Lake's Surface Status COG EXECUTING !!!");

    if (status == 0) {
        if (verbose)
            Print ("startup: LAKE SURFACE THAWED");
        SetWallCel (switch, 0);
        call ice_THAW;
    }
    else
    if (status == 1) {
        if (verbose)
            Print ("startup: LAKE SURFACE FROZEN");
        SetWallCel (switch, 1);
        call ice_FREEZE;
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

activated:

        // Eliminate any possibility that something other than
        // the on-off switch OR console could send the
        // "activated" message...
    if (GetSenderID() != 1)
        return;

    if (GetSenderID() == -1)
        return;

    if (GetSenderID() == 1) {
            if (status == 0) {
                if (verbose)
                Print ("ICE LAKE SURFACE - THAWED OUT...");
                SetWallCel (switch, 0);
                call ice_THAW;
            }
            else
            if (status == 1) {
                if (verbose)
                Print ("ICE LAKE SURFACE - FROZEN OVER...");
                SetWallCel (switch, 1);
                call ice_FREEZE;
            }
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

ice_FREEZE:

        // Floor; Used in COG; Impassable; Magsealed
    SetSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x6007);
    SetSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x6007);
        // Not passable
    ClearAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x2);
    ClearAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x2);  // ALT: SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x5);
        // Geo-mode
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_front, 4);   // Surface face
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_back, 4);   // is drawn...
        // Surface Face Type Info
    SetFaceType (iceSurf_front, 0x2);  // Translucent
    SetFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x2);
       // Set wall cell mat info
    SetWallCel (switch, 1);
        // Reset status to 0 - OFF
        // (think that status should be 1 ?? Try it and see what happens...
    status = 0;

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

ice_THAW:

        // Surface flags
    ClearSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x6007);
    ClearSurfaceFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x6007);
        // Adjoins info
    SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_front, 0x2);
    SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x2);    // ALT: SetAdjoinFlags (iceSurf_back, 0x7);
        // Geo-mode
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_front, 4);   // Draw surface face, as normal
    SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_back, 4);
        // Surface Face Type Info
//    ClearFaceType (iceSurf_front, 0x2);    // Clears translucency
//    ClearFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x2);     //SetFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x0);
        // Set wall cell mat info
    SetWallCel (switch, 0);
        // Reset status to 1 - ACTIVE
        // (think that status should be 0 ?? Try it and see what happens...
    status = 1;

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

entered:

    // Make sure nothing else can send this message....
    if (GetSenderID() != 3)
        return;


    if (GetSenderID() == 3) {
        if (verbose)
        Print ("Entered ICY LAKE SECTOR");

        if (doesIceFreezePlayer == 0) {
            if (verbose)
            Print ("NO FREEZE");
            return;
        }
        else
        if (doesIceFreezePlayer == 1) {
            if (verbose)
            Print ("LAKE'S WATER IS TOO COLD TO SURVIVE - DAMAGE PLAYER !!!");
            damaging = 1;
            SetPulse (damageInterval);
        }
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

exited:

    if (GetSenderID() != 3)
        return;

    if (GetSenderID() == 3) {
        if (verbose)
        Print ("Exited ICY LAKE - STOP damaging !!!");
        damaging = 0;
        SetPulse (0.0);
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

pulse:

    if (verbose)
    Print ("COG PULSING in FREEZING WATER SECTOR");

    if (GetThingHealth (GetSenderRef() ) < 1) {
        if (verbose)
        Print ("PLAYER DEAD !!! - stop PULSE ");
        SetPulse (0.0);
        return;
    }

    if (damaging == 1) {
            // Do direct HEALTH damage - cuts through shields...
        damage = (Rand() * (maxDamage - minDamage) ) + minDamage;
        DamageThing (GetSourceRef(), damage, 0x1, GetSenderRef() );
    }
    else
    if (damaging == 0) {
        SetPulse (0.0);
    }

    return;

#------------------------------------------------------

end

And as for the reason as to why you're not getting any sounds - well you didn't ask for any sounds, so I didn't include it... Please make up your mind what you want your cog to do exactly, as that way, it ensures that us coggers can develop (precisely) the cog that you desire, and thus make your levels more interesting [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

If you still need help or want me to send you my demo test level, implementing this cog script, then let me know and I'll happily email to you [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

Hope this helps [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

-Jackpot

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"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

2003-09-18, 3:33 PM #12

JediKirby

GoY's Pessimistic Soy Boy Toy

Posts: 17,361

Why not just un-adjoin the surface via switch, and make sure the surface that shows up is a solid ice texture? Seems like you're going through quite a bit of trouble for something so limmited in cog knowledge like me could do.

JediKirby

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2003-09-23, 4:27 AM #13

hatchyack

Registered User

Posts: 145

ok, i think the cog is working, but when it is turned off, the surface still shows up. I need the cog to change the surface flags when it is off to be not rendered. right now, when it is off, it is rendered but passable. i need it to be not rendered and passable when off, and rendered , not passable and icy, and translucent when on.

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2003-09-23, 7:46 AM #14

lucky_jackpot

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Posts: 788

Hi there

OK - follow this to the letter and you should be fine [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

In the "ice_THAW" code section change:

Code:

SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_front, 4);
SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_back, 4);
    // Surface Face Type Info
//    ClearFaceType (iceSurf_front, 0x2);  // Clears translucency
//    ClearFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x2);     //SetFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x0);

to:

Code:

SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_front, 0);
SetFaceGeoMode (iceSurf_back, 0);
ClearFaceType (iceSurf_front, 0x2);
ClearFaceType (iceSurf_back, 0x2);

Let me know that this is successful (not "if" it is successful [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

)

Hope this helps [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

-Jackpot

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"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

[This message has been edited by lucky_jackpot (edited September 23, 2003).]

2003-09-23, 7:53 AM #15

lucky_jackpot

Emoticon seizure in progress

Posts: 788

Oh and jEDIkIRBY - I like to give people options with their custom cogs ... plus I was bored and wished to see how far I can push interesting level ideas, such as this freezing lake idea [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

-Jackpot

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Are you feeling lucky, cuz if you are, get your hands off me...

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

2003-09-24, 9:57 AM #16

Storm_Eyes

Registered User

Posts: 27

I'm gonna provide you with no useful information.

These are my thoughts on life.
...
Thanks for listening.

2003-09-24, 12:43 PM #17

lucky_jackpot

Emoticon seizure in progress

Posts: 788

Riiiight ... thanks for the useful input Storm_Eyes... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

At least I've tried to help an aspiring editor in this thread - to be quite candid, I believe your response would have been better left as "not posted" status....

Believe it or not, I'm not getting at you - I just can't see any point to your above post, in terms of helping out an editor who needs cogging help ... unless there's an inside joke going on - in that case... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

-Jackpot

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Are you feeling lucky, cuz if you are, get your hands off me...

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)