ok, the JA player selection thinky, owned.. but i may have figured out how to do it in JK (thanks to the missle warriro mod!)

in missle warrior ther buttons for selecting missle mode are sprites fired from the palyer, and then the mosue is too.

what if i took this a step further, and had a full player slection sysem with buttons for the palyer type and so on, (ther palyer woudl be invisable of corse) a nice scrolling sky bacground, some good quality sprites for the light saber blades, 3do saber handles, he 3do palyer with lots of repalceable (wepon) meshs, or possebly lots of palyer 3dos for all the types.. and so on and so on.. also you could ahve a the weposn you wan selected.. and of corse i could sove in a few of JA wepons and so on.. and you coudl sue it on any levle coz the cog would ru on any level..

the big question is if i could ahve a levle selection screen.. or i might ahve to do that in debug mode.. i dunno..

so guys what do you think? shall i do it. or just some of it for AJTD?

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rule three, "asprines good, but it hasent got the kick of morphine. and its not gonna stop the hurting in my arm, the ones thats on the otherside of the room i mean" -the alternatior

You'll be making a lot of models and skins...

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Why in the world would you go through all of the trouble when you could just buy JA? Maybe taking a gameplay issue, like sabers, and making them like JA would be 10x more worth it.

JediKirby

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emon is correct..

the fact is, i want to do it as.. i dunno what you'd call it.. a challange..

also, it would rather OWN to be able to have that kind of screen..

i just want to check feesablity first, see if any one can see a faital error in my theaory that might bring me crashingdown to earth..

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Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

rule three, "asprines good, but it hasent got the kick of morphine. and its not gonna stop the hurting in my arm, the ones thats on the otherside of the room i mean" -the alternatior

Hi there

I suppose it could be possible to a certain extent...

What I was thinking of (and these are just rough ideas and pointers - I haven't had time to think about practical implementation yet...) was something along the lines of:

1.) "Create" a normal character (using kyle.3do), as in start a "construction" level normally. From here, the player could wander into several chaning room style booths, similar to Drazen Isle.

2.) If you have multiple booths, you could gradually re-skin the character by activating two wall buttons (to cycle forward and backwards through a selection of skinned components) and once you have decided on a texture, activate a 3rd button to "apply" the textures.

This could be done to all the major components of a 3do - facial features, front and back "sides" (so to speak), thighs, legs and arms. Maybe have a lightsaber colour changer booth too?

The reason why I suggest the "changing rooms" approach is that it gives you some way to access the handle (programming term) and manipulate the values - for example, with this approach, using the "activated" message for the wall switch would allow you that access. Otherwise you're faced with a difficult (certainly long-winded) process of actually working out the player selections.

Heck, you could even start with a "geo-mode 2" transparent character 3do with clear mats and then as the player decides what they want to wear, "re-build" the 3do's mats as and when...

Again - just throwing ideas into the arena. Hope this has helped

-Jackpot

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well, its a intresting theory lucky.. but um.. well .. no

you see i want a interface, but you are wong in one aspect, the activated message is good, but in my way i can use the "damaged" message with a projectile from the palyer ( silent and invisable of corse)...

the other reson my way is the onyl way to do it is this is not for a level, its a mod. with it you can play ANY level/level pack like its a JA SP level... you could evan play MP levles like SP levels if you wanted. i could jsut get a cog like kyle.cog or sutch to send a trigger to the interface cog at startup to activate it..

but if no one can find any problems with the idea i can begin.

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-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

rule three, "asprines good, but it hasent got the kick of morphine. and its not gonna stop the hurting in my arm, the ones thats on the otherside of the room i mean" -the alternatior

Hey - I said I was only throwing ideas around - I wasn't kidding you know . Technically speaking, my idea isn't wrong - it's just one suggestion as to how the problem could be dealt with; you asked for some thoughts on the subject, to which I obliged (hopefully "helpfully"... ) .

There is always your idea of the "damaged" method of implementation. I'd be interested to see it work, if for nothing else than I haven't seen "character selection" done as adventurously as you propose to do so... - I'll admit I'm intrigued - best of luck in your pursuits

-Jackpot

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Initiator of the "Bring Back Jan Ors" Campaign!

"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

well, i mean your wong about the
as useing he damaged message is nto long winded as you said..

-pjb starts GIMp and starts makeing mats for the sprites/flat 3do's-

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I am pjb.
Another post......
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-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

rule three, "asprines good, but it hasent got the kick of morphine. and its not gonna stop the hurting in my arm, the ones thats on the otherside of the room i mean" -the alternatior

Eh, don't you have to make a bunch of skins and models first? And you won't be able to tint them or make combinations of torsos, legs, heads, etc.

And there are limits to the number of things you can define in a COG, so don't expect to get very many selections without hard coding values from the level.

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Number of things you can define pre-run, yes. But using the LoadResouce verbs, you can, based on selection, dynamically load what you need into a single thing. And for stuff like integer values, you could just use the heap (which is perfectly safe as long as you run a for loop to zero-out all the heap locations before you access it).

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PJB, if you've been around for long enough to get 780 posts, then you've got to realize that *no one* wants to take their time to read a post by someone who's too careless to correct his own spelling mistakes. And even then, you commit this syntactical rape in a coding forum! I don't want you to take any personal offense, but don't keep posting like that - people take you a lot more seriously if you act like you care about what you're writing.

Alright, I'll tell the Hitler voice to shut up now.

You're right about the ingame menu. That's really what I wrote it for - to give cog programmers the ability to create a visual menu where you didn't have to worry about using up a ton of hotkeys that are too hard to get people to learn anyway. I want to see people use it, and ingame model and saber changing sounds like a good mod idea.

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[This message has been edited by SaberMaster (edited December 03, 2003).]

i am sorry that my speeling and grammar are nto too good, but english is my second laungrage, and its slightly different form welsh if you know what i mean...

-slaps sabermaster- no hitlers here! only lenins

and i am happy that i have discoverd something from MW that as far as i know no one else has.. but i may be wong

also, all the data would be stored in bins, so that it can be carryed over multiple levels, and also the cogs can knwo whats what without haveing to check the palyer 3do's

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-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

rule three, "asprines good, but it hasent got the kick of morphine. and its not gonna stop the hurting in my arm, the ones thats on the otherside of the room i mean" -the alternatior

[This message has been edited by [SF]pjb (edited December 05, 2003).]

i am sorry that my speeling and grammar are nto too good, but english is my second laungrage, and its slightly different form welsh if you know what i mean...

-slaps sabermaster- no hitlers here! only lenins

and i am happy that i have discoverd something from MW that as far as i know no one else has.. but i may be wong

but can someone please explain the "heap" to me, as i am unfarmiliar with it.. is it like a array in basic?

and theres a limit to the number of things i can define?

but then couldent i possebly split it into two or more cogs with trigers, so the interface cogs calls the trigger in the switch-player-3do cog when you click the buttton?

and that way the wepons, saber handles, saber blades, palyer modles, and other sutch changeable things could all be handled by there own cogs, and if one cog (A.K.A the player cog) had too meny 3dos listed, it could be split into multiple cogs.. sutch as one for color, one for heead, legs, torso.. and so on

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I am pjb.
Another post......
another moment of my life wasted.....
at least i made a level.
PJB's JK page's

-the PJB jedi rule book-
rule one, "never trust a bartender with bad grammar"-kyle katarn in JO

Rule Two, "Gravity is a crule misstress" -kyle katarn in MotS, and the alternatior MK I in AJTD

rule three, "asprines good, but it hasent got the kick of morphine. and its not gonna stop the hurting in my arm, the ones thats on the otherside of the room i mean" -the alternatior

[This message has been edited by [SF]pjb (edited December 05, 2003).]