Oops, now I feel really stupid. I inadvertently deleted this initial post.

It was about a space station shaped like a pipe, and it explained that the main problem with attaching and orienting to walls was JK's pushing the player back to the floor or ceiling.


[This message has been edited by ZeqMacaw (edited December 10, 2003).]

hm.. thats quite hard problem. Ship would look like this arnt it?


so in fact there will be only 1 place that will work fine hm...
i tried to make 2 grav level (with grav change in middle, but it wont work anymore. Other way, i think there is no way to set grav vector.. if there is way, your problem is simple, else.. perhaps not. Unknown for me.


PS (i soluted my problem by using ghost aporting, so there was in fact 2 levels rotated by 180 degresses but this will not help ya)

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The problem really can be reworded as: How do we allow players to walk on walls as if they were floors? (I should have worded it that way to begin with. Drat!)

I have seen many discussions on this forum about this problem, but it looks like it has not been resolved (or at least revealed to the forum).

I really enjoy FPS games and I enjoy getting the most out of them, so I keep trying to get this one idea to work.

A simplified picture of the level looking from one end of the "pipe":


[This message has been edited by ZeqMacaw (edited December 07, 2003).]

[This message has been edited by ZeqMacaw (edited December 07, 2003).]

Is the level geometry itself actually rotating (the pipe -- is it moving)?
This is what I mean: (the numbers indicate a particular surface -- 1=ceiling, 2=wall, 3=floor, 4=wall)

And when it rotates counterclockwise to the next "frame"...

Is this what you're trying to make your level like, or are you shifting the gravity so it pushes to another spot while the level geometry retains its orientation?
I'm just not entirely clear on the plan for your level.

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[This message has been edited by Darth Slaw (edited December 07, 2003).]

Sorry for the confusion.

Forget about the pipe; forget about the space station. (The gravitational effects of a "rotating" space station can be simulated with sector thrusts, which we have already resolved.)

The real problem is: How do we get the player to walk on the walls and ceiling as if the walls and ceiling are floors?

Here are the ideas I have either found or thought of myself:

1. Use attachment flags for orienting and attaching player to walls. (This is what the WoW mod did.) The main disadvantage is that JK pushes the player to the floor or ceiling if on certain surfaces. Also, jumping would have to be altered so that player isn't always sent in the +z axis direction.

2. Use physics flag for flying. This requires reworking the walking sounds, reorienting the player when the player touches a surface, adding the crouch and jump effects, and changing the acceleration/deceleration effects of flying to match those of walking/running.

3. Rotate the level. I suspect this would be infeasible. It would likely require many 3dos or would be extremely cumbersome to do in multiplayer.

4. Give up and work on something else.

What are some other ideas?

I am currently working on Idea 2, because I have not found a way around the automatic pushing of player and the jumping might be easier to handle.

Checksum wrote something for me a long time ago, it allows the player to fly in all dirrections in the air, and allows them to orient themselves to any surface they'd like, by simply rotating in that general direction with the strefe keys, and moving towards the wall.

JediKirby

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I am concluding this topic because I have been confusing two different ideas. I will post new topics once I have researched JK a little more.

Thanks to all for your help.

if you mean contnuously rotateing the entire level it shouldent be so hard..

select the hole level (giveing every few sectors a different layer if its complex) then change to surface mode (look all he surfaces are selected) hit [ALT+I] to invert them then eport the hhole level as a 3do. then make a bog box, plop the levle in, change the physics mode, andd a angvel(00.000/90.000/00.000) to the template as well as the phsyics mode. and yahh boo, the hole thing rotates in circles...

the only problem is if you have switches or doors. but if you make them seperaite 3do's and use cog to attach them to the space station, you should ahve no problems..

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