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Bill Gates turns prophet...
2004-01-26, 1:43 AM #1
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Gates predicts the death of spam


Sunday, January 25, 2004

Spam will be dead in two years if Microsoft boss Bill Gates gets his way.

Gates made the bold prediction at the World Economic Forum, an annual gathering of business leaders in the Swiss skiing village of Davos.

Current anti-spam software uses filtering to remove e-mails with certain words that frequently show up in junk mail.

Some spammers have fought back by leaving tell-tale words out of the subject line and providing only an Internet link to their marketing message.

"Lots of mail you get is from people on your contact list. So what's the problem? Strangers!" said Gates.

The new software would require that any incoming e-mail from an unfamiliar address prove that it isn't spam, he said.

For this, Gates described three possible strategies.

One would send a puzzle back to the spammer. The e-mail would be accepted only if the puzzle were solved.

The second would require a spammer's computer to tackle a calculation. Having to do the calculation repetitively would prove costly to the sender, Gates said.

The third approach would hit spammers in the pocketbook.

It would require senders to pay a fee to a recipient. If the

e-mail is legitimate, the recipient could choose to reject the fee.

© Copyright 2004 Calgary Herald</font>


It would be nice, but in the world of computers, somebody will find a way around this. There's always a way around this kind of stuff. I think Gates is wasting his time. But I don't think he's wasting his money... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]

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2004-01-26, 2:37 AM #2
Agreed.

I'm liking that "fee to the recipient" idea, though.

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2004-01-26, 4:01 AM #3
I must say, I am impressed by how well Hotmail has recently done in getting rid of spam. I've received maybe...four...spam messages in the past week.

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2004-01-26, 4:22 AM #4
Not everything bad in computers lives forever, boot viruses and Realplayer didn't.
2004-01-26, 4:24 AM #5
Yeah, we're gonna see the postal service take over emailing soon.. I just know it

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2004-01-26, 4:28 AM #6
bulls***. Always another way. SPAM SPAMS SPAM. HAHAHAHHAHAH.

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2004-01-26, 6:22 AM #7
Does anybody out there actually buy products that they see in spam e-mail? Because, theoretically, if there was nobody buying anything from the spamming companies, then they would stop sending spam.

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2004-01-26, 9:01 AM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kyle90:
Does anybody out there actually buy products that they see in spam e-mail? Because, theoretically, if there was nobody buying anything from the spamming companies, then they would stop sending spam.

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They just need that one idiot to make a profit.

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2004-01-26, 9:15 AM #9
Gates is a fool. Theres no chance of MS "defeating spam", and certainly not within 2 years. In 20, MAYBE, but not 2.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GHORG:
Not everything bad in computers lives forever, boot viruses and Realplayer didn't.</font>


Uhh . . . Realplayer is still around...

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2004-01-26, 9:19 AM #10
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
I must say, I am impressed by how well Hotmail has recently done in getting rid of spam. I've received maybe...four...spam messages in the past week.

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2004-01-26, 9:22 AM #11
I love how all of these solutions don't require the myriad of ISPs to update their email servers. Because they never do.
2004-01-26, 10:21 AM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kyle90:
Does anybody out there actually buy products that they see in spam e-mail? Because, theoretically, if there was nobody buying anything from the spamming companies, then they would stop sending spam.

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I dunno look at the spam artists at AOL. Constantly sending out free CDs, and yet I doubt very many really use them. Well obviously most probably use them to get free accounts so they can troll around things and whatnot, but other than that?...

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2004-01-26, 10:28 AM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
Uhh . . . Realplayer is still around...

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We like to pretend it's not. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-01-26, 10:46 AM #14
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2004-01-26, 11:22 AM #15
Bll Gates is silly.

Lets spam him.

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2004-01-26, 2:33 PM #16
Heheh.. Speaking of spamming Gatesy.

Last year in gym class, this jockish guy I knew from middle school (we're both in high School now, I hate him as much now as I did then) said, "Zac, (me) I need you to do me a favor."
"Yess..?"
"I need you to hack into Bill Gates' computer and get his email address."
<hardly able to contain laughter> "Oook.. why?"
"I have a great idea for him."

Hehe.. Itw as funny. He spent the next week trying to convince me to use my magical "hax0r.exe" program to get his email addy.

Funnies.

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2004-01-26, 4:19 PM #17
I'M CALLING THE COPS!

/me runs off

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2004-01-26, 4:45 PM #18
/me h@x0rz MW's phones..

No coppers for j00!

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2004-01-26, 4:45 PM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
I must say, I am impressed by how well Hotmail has recently done in getting rid of spam. I've received maybe...four...spam messages in the past week.

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The only spam I get in my hotmail account is from Microsoft.

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2004-01-26, 4:47 PM #20
Some people have to realize something:

Bill Gates is not, never has been, and will not for quite a while, stupid. He has as much money as he does for a reason, and its not neccessarily just because of the monopoly. Although GBK has something to say about his Linux stuff, and although I'm being somewhat hypocritical writing this from a Mac, there's a reason why the majority of people own a PC. Bill Gates could have made millions upon millions of mistakes, and somehow it seems like he has done nothing wrong yet (obviously he has made some mistakes, but not nearly as many as ya'all credit him for), but everything he plans to do is destined to fail. Its ridiculous.

It was cute for a bit I guess, but all there is a plethora of this "BILL GATES IS SATAN" talk going around, and its completely unecessary.

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2004-01-26, 4:54 PM #21
Eversor, I called Bill Gates a fool because he actully believes that his damned company can 'rid the word of spam'. Its an absurd notion that only goes to show how much crack this guy has been smoking lately.


...Hrm, I had the really great speach laid out about how MS isnt really evil . . . but I wont want this to turn into a flamewar....

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2004-01-26, 5:00 PM #22
Just to put in my two cents about this whole thing..

I DESPISE SPAM! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/eek.gif] it's just a fact of internet life that I hate. Now, I have a hotmail account with the highest security on the junk mail filter, so only people who are on my safe list get to my inbox, which does help. but after time, the spam still accumulates in my junk mail folder and if I don't check in even a week the number climbs to over 500 emails!!!

I've had this email for a good 5 years, so that might be a reason why there's so much spam. But Honestly.... Companies that have to resort to bothering people in EVERY Single aspect of their lives (including online) are obviously pretty desperate for business! And if you look at the AMOUNT of spam, that's a lot of desperate companies; and don't even TRY and get me started on chain letters.. they're not even automated and they piss me off too!! The people who start them obviously have no time on their hands... or they're playing a joke, but in that case it's funny.


Ok, enough of that...

To comment on the whole Bill Gates thing, I'll give him credit for being a very intelligent man, but I think he also has to realize that the rest of the world has started catching up with him. There will always be spam, to the disappointment to more than a few people.. With the development of new computer systems and new technologies constantly accelerating, there's no way to stop Spam dead in it's tracks, it's just something we'll have to live with.

I think I'll live with my Junk mail filter... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-01-26, 5:15 PM #23
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The third approach would hit spammers in the pocketbook.
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I believe you misspelled profit.

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2004-01-26, 5:27 PM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
Eversor, I called Bill Gates a fool because he actully believes that his damned company can 'rid the word of spam'. Its an absurd notion that only goes to show how much crack this guy has been smoking lately.</font>


....Microsoft has a much better chance of affecting spam than the Linux afficionados do. World's largest company vs. a group that's too disorganized to keep their kernel from speciating? Care to explain your logic, or will you just sob and post another rant about how making a profit is evil?

If anybody has a chance to solve this problem, it's Microsoft. Deal.
2004-01-26, 5:54 PM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
Eversor, I called Bill Gates a fool because he actully believes that his damned company can 'rid the word of spam'. Its an absurd notion that only goes to show how much crack this guy has been smoking lately.</font>


Printing chips to silicon wafers was an absurd idea. How can stopping junk mail be any more absurd?

Also stop insulting someone who operates a buisiness that thrives on intelligence and ingenunity. Gates knows more about software than you think, kiddo. He's been a nerd longer than you've been alive.

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2004-01-26, 6:12 PM #26
I admit he must have had some real smarts back in the day. But now he's just a stupid greedy jerk driven by the $. No real care to the customers or anything, just as long as he can get money from Windows and the several things you will need to "stabilize" it.

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2004-01-26, 6:18 PM #27
I can't believe some of you people. No matter what Bill Gates does, you just laugh at him and call him stupid. At least he's ****ing trying to DO something about spam. Microsoft probably has the best chance of anybody of halting the endless flow of Junk E-mail.
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2004-01-26, 6:21 PM #28
It doesn't seem like a radical idea, anti-spam has been around for years. I haven't gotten any spam in a very long time.

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2004-01-26, 6:57 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
I must say, I am impressed by how well Hotmail has recently done in getting rid of spam. I've received maybe...four...spam messages in the past week.

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No wonder I no longer am getting alot of e-mails. This started when my mom said to stay off the computer forever (lasted a few weeks), and I noticed when I got on, I never had e-mail. I thought I broke it.

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2004-01-27, 6:21 AM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Uhh . . . Realplayer is still around...</font>

Yeah and PDP-11's are still around, but do they get used?
2004-01-27, 6:26 AM #31
Its ironic the only email I got today was from MSN gaming zone.

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2004-01-27, 8:12 AM #32
I must say Hotmail has done well in de-spamming my Inbox - daily I get a lot of annoying loans and finance e-mails etc. etc. which get plonked automatically into my Junk Folder... I can remember a dark time when my masculine self received an e-mail asking me if I wanted breast implants... the world is far less mad now - thank God! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

Whatever Bill, Sir Bill or whoever is up to, I applaud him for trying to tackle these nuisance people.

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