We haven't a whiny girl thread in what...3 months??? Where's the love????

Anyway.
Simple question:

You fall in love.
2 months later...
She ends it.
-How long until you can look at her without feeling unprecedented sadness and resentment?-
Whats the usual time scale for loosing your love for someone? Bare in mind this was serious serious I-would-die-for-you love.
I'm guessing it aint 2-3 months.


Non-simple background:

-2 weeks before uni started, she ended it. Said some really hurtful things, didnt love me, deliberately was mean to me so I would stop loving and liking her. Didn't work, just tore me in half.
-Made the mistake of going to the same uni as her. Not only that but she's 40 seconds walk from my room.
-One of the main reasons she used to dump me was that when her close friend left she went all wierd and got scared or some s**t like that. Now I find she isnt even talking to her in txt or phone. So the validity of her reasoning is utter bull.
-Saw her for the 1st time in a month today. It all came flooding back, and I had to leave climbing club and go back to my room, where I spent 2 hours crying in the corner.
-I haven't mentioned anything of my unchanging feelings to her, my hatred, my resentment, my unexplainable affection for her after she utterly destroyed me. She knows nothing.

Next questions:

Do i give in to my nasty side and suddenly just scream at her face, bare in mind this takes a lot of effort cos when I see her I go all weak and forget I hate her.
Do I tell her I still love her? ANd how do I bring it up.

...

and yes I'm pathetic, but still need advice.

Btw dont attempt the old "just ignore her and you'll forget" I've tried that for 3 months and it dont work.

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My Wisdom: If u can keep your head whilst those around you are losing theirs then you obviously haven't fully grasped the situation!

"Faith is only hopeful ignorance..."
Me-10 minutes ago.

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

No, don't just ignore her.
Someday you're going to need to get over your resentment. It's not that she deserves better, but it only hurts you.

I can't really help much because I have a similar thing going on, except on a smaller scale.

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All you need is love.

Im gonna try and get this written before Page comes in and tells you to go off and screw a mule, or sheep, or whatever the devil you kids do these days..


Option 1) Leave that school.

Option 2) Move out of that dorm.

Option 3) Confront her, but for crying out loud dont reveal your feelings, good or bad. Thatll just make things worse.

Option 4) Get her piss drunk, then fool around. After that, she will be so embarrased, she'll never want to see you again.

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Fight the future.

Heh Option 4 is looking pretty good right now. But we never go anywhere, she never invites me out or anything, theres no chance. And she's a stuck up cow, she hardly drinks.

How bout I buy a gun (i'm near london), get 2 rounds, shoot her in the head, and then use the last one to finish me off.
Vastly wiser. But I dont think people here would be too impressed...

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

Hey clan

I'm in a similar situation at the moment. My girlfriend spilt up with me last sunday. She said she loves me but somewhere between a friend and family, and that she's still attracted to me...this doesnt make sense to me but hey, I'm not gonna thread hijack on my first post!

We'd been together nearly a year and a half. We live in the same city and I stayed at home to go to uni because I didnt want to leave her. We split up sometime around febuary this year, and I went through pretty much what you're going through now. For ober a month a felt like crap pretty much every day, some would be good some, bad. Eventually I thought I was ok but then I listened to the wrong song and realised I wasn't. It was hard for me because I HAD to see her everyday. We were in the same sixth form.

Eventually we got back together, but this time I think it's the end. I'm now trying to avoid all contact with her or even to hear of her, because like you I get that horrible weak feeling if I see her. I remember the last time we split up, one day she got dropped off by her mum and she smiled at me as I walked past the car. I was shaking for the rest of the day, for all kinds of reasons.

I can't tell you what to do next because I dont know what I'm going to do. I think it will take a long time for you to feel better about things. I also dont know if contacting her would serve any purpose at all. You might find yourself hoping for a positive response and then have old wounds reopened when she blows you away.

Good luck mate, the mightest of men are crippled by love

for your 1st post that advice was bloody good.
I'll remember it well.

Btw I'm stealing your last line for my sig

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The mightiest of men are crippled by love.

[This message has been edited by clan ruthervain (edited December 06, 2003).]

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

I can understand exactly how you feel, because I had almost the exact same thing happen to me. Went out with the girl for two months, then she suddenly called it off, claiming that she didn't care about me, and never spoke to me again. I can understand loving/hating someone at the same time. It probably will take more than 3months to get over, but it will gradually get easier. Trust me. It's not worth ending your life over.

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Well, I don't have much else on my mind at the moment, Ive had time to do a lot of thinking (when not doing coursework anyway!)

Feel free to steal, I thought it up long ago when I first got together with her. I've always had a lot of strange ambitions but I gave them up for her because I realised I was happy. Tis why I dont know what to do now. There isnt anything else I want anymore.

On a side note, I did go and see my favourite band ever, Iron Maiden, for the first time on thursday, and it was easily the second best night of my life, ever. That night I didnt care what happened I was on such a high I wouldve told her to have a nice life but eff orf...Unfortunately I cant go see a gig like that every year, never mind every day!

Ah well.

Well... I'm still with the only girl I ever loved, so I can't really give you any advice, except that GBK's first option is bogus. A girl isn't worth the hassle of changing schools, and certainly not worth dropping out.

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Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

Just unload all your hatred at her in private. Get her alone, yell and curse at her, feel the joy it'll bring. She'll either feel horrible about it or never want to be around you again. Either way, your problem is solved and you feel much, much better.

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S51

'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.' 'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice. 'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'

Realize that 2-3 months is not near any time to have a meaningful relationship and that you just need to put it behind you and move on.

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1 of 14 - The Coucil still lives
6-16 Never Forget.
Click.
People I don't like: FeTT, Pugler

Normally I'd say never listen to GBK, but for once he's right.

I can be a pretty spiteful guy. And I'm telling you this: You expose your feelings for her, and you'll just be giving her a clear shot. She doesn't care. Nobody who would hurt you that way would care, and they're not worth the agony.

Women are highly emotional beings. So whatever you do, don't give in. Don't act angry. Don't act upset. And absolutely don't act lovestruck. The worst possible insult for someone who would play with you like that is to act totally neutral toward them.

At the very least, you deserve an honest explanation of why she broke up with you. If you get a chance, tell her that and if she won;t do that much forget her.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

h*ll, what do you know? this girl does have feelings, this girl COULD care. She COULD have made an honest mistake in going out with him. She COULD have thought she was in deep love with him, but over time realised that she wasent, panicked on how to get out (becuse, honestly, it's not easy to let down a guy) and she didnet want him to get any more attached, so she made up a lame excuse, any excuse, and broke up with him, hopeing that he would see the light and realise that there not right for each other.

MY advice. : in order to get over your pain, you need to sit down and talk to the girl. long, deep, alone conversation (on seprate sides of the room(ish). you start, teller how this thing is tearing you apart, and see what she has to say.

then take a long brake from her somehow (follow GBK's advice) move, exc... and allow time to heal.
Dont bottle your emotions, that leads to distruction of yourself.

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Any employee found dead in an upright position will be dropped from the payroll.

So, you can either listen to the guys who are telling you not to give in and express your emotions or your fury, or you can listen to an apologist. Your call.

Care to explain what expressing his emotions to her would accomplish, Elana?

Here's a scenerio: She's really as spiteful as I think she is, and did all of this precisely to hurt the guy. Then he tells her "I still care about you and you're hurting me".
All that does is tell her that she was successful in her mission to cause him pain!

Or he gets angry and starts screaming at her. This makes her feel good about dumping him, because he has no self restraint and a short temper.

It's what she wants. Chances are you've been in a similar situation and you're trying to make yourself feel better about how you handled it.

[This message has been edited by Jon`C (edited December 06, 2003).]

I soon forget that my ex's even exist. The minute I stop seeing someone, I can totally get them out of my head and move on to someone else before sundown that same day. I am more or less a cold-blooded pimp mercenary.

Now, Let's look at Ruthervain's case:

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Non-simple background:

-2 weeks before uni started, she ended it. Said some really hurtful things, didnt love me, deliberately was mean to me so I would stop loving and liking her. Didn't work, just tore me in half.

>Will the next chick in line step forward please? If this chick treated you like that, why do you still care if she lives or dies? You have better things to do.

-Made the mistake of going to the same uni as her. Not only that but she's 40 seconds walk from my room.

>No, you have the right to go where you please. Even if you see her everyday, it doesn't mean that you have to talk to her or even give her a passing glance when she walks by.

-One of the main reasons she used to dump me was that when her close friend left she went all wierd and got scared or some s**t like that. Now I find she isnt even talking to her in txt or phone. So the validity of her reasoning is utter bull.

>This chick may have stability problems. Many chicks are really messed up mentally, and they do crazy stuff that defies logic. If she isn't respecting her close friend, then why are you still respecting her? She deserves to be alone. I've known chicks like her, and they never ammount to anything.


-Saw her for the 1st time in a month today. It all came flooding back, and I had to leave climbing club and go back to my room, where I spent 2 hours crying in the corner.

>I hope for your sake that no one saw you. Just don't let it happen again. Where's your pride, man? Why are you letting this chick get into your head like that if you hate her so much. I would think better of you if you said that you wanted her dead instead of admitting that you cried over her.


-I haven't mentioned anything of my unchanging feelings to her, my hatred, my resentment, my unexplainable affection for her after she utterly destroyed me. She knows nothing.

>Take my advice, and everything will be fine. This chick is utterly worthless and is not worthy of anyone with the vaguest sense of class.




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Most people regard me as the dark and immoral side of Massassi. At least I'm getting what I want out of life.

I love you for saying this:



And hate you for saying this:




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saberopus
oh yeh wlel i jsut gots finesht wiht my morrwoind mod for teh JO An it takes up teh 900 gigabiets of spaec but i wlil not sowh yuo gyz teh scrnshoots becasue we dunat kare wut u gyz tihnk ne1 no wear i kan get ti hostad 4 dounlowd!!!!11!111 --Checksum

So am I, but i am neither 'dark' (in the connotation you suggest) or immoral (in the connotation you suggest).



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saberopus
oh yeh wlel i jsut gots finesht wiht my morrwoind mod for teh JO An it takes up teh 900 gigabiets of spaec but i wlil not sowh yuo gyz teh scrnshoots becasue we dunat kare wut u gyz tihnk ne1 no wear i kan get ti hostad 4 dounlowd!!!!11!111 --Checksum

There is no valid reason to do that.

hehehe..yeah, that's going to work....hehehe

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Actually, I take that back. If he begins getting really mussy and teary eyed, it would drive her farther away.

even though this is pretty cold-hearted, it is actually the best thing to do. MOVE ON AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. It's easier for some than others.

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Man: Baby, I've been sleeping with your sister.
Woman: *gasp* Well, which one?
Man: All of them.
Woman: *gasp* Well, I've been sleeping with your best friend Jake!
Man: Yeah, well me too! And I've been sleeping with your dog Woofy!
Woman: Woofy?! You *****! Well, I'm also sleeping with your pet goat!
Man: That goat doesn't love you.............

Precisely!

At last, Page arrives. To ruin the day, no less. Once again the great sex god Page can turn a relatively harmless thread into something objectifying women.
Normally, I would refrain from jumping in the middle of something like this . . . but I just cant help it this time.


Page, women are not objects. You seem to hold the opinion that if a woman wont sleep with you, then they can piss off and die. That is a pathetic ideology to hold, and I pity you.

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Fight the future.

What can I say? I love what I do.




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Most people regard me as the dark and immoral side of Massassi. At least I'm getting what I want out of life.

Page, while you're certainly qualified to give advice on how to get women, I think your area of expertise falls far short of love and heartbreak. Of course it's risky, but let those who desire the emotion to have it, and stop saying that they're wrong for it.

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Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

Let me clarify something for everyone.

Pagewizard's advice = great advice for the most part

Pagewizard's attitude = like throwing **** into a fan. it gets all over indisciminately, stinks, and it pisses everyone off, and it's really stupid to do unless your with your frat boy homies.

Now, with that said, can we all just get along?

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Man: Baby, I've been sleeping with your sister.
Woman: *gasp* Well, which one?
Man: All of them.
Woman: *gasp* Well, I've been sleeping with your best friend Jake!
Man: Yeah, well me too! And I've been sleeping with your dog Woofy!
Woman: Woofy?! You *****! Well, I'm also sleeping with your pet goat!
Man: That goat doesn't love you.............

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited December 06, 2003).]

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Most people regard me as the dark and immoral side of Massassi. At least I'm getting what I want out of life.

Why would they want to feel the pain that many people associate with rejection? I know ways to eliminate it, so why not take my advice and live a better life? I laugh in the face of rejection. It is no threat to me. If anything, even if I am rejected, it motivates me to keep trying until I get success. Whether I get rejected or not, the outcome only makes me stronger regardless of which way it goes. When I am successful, I get laid. If I am rejected, I get motivated to keep trying for success. Either way, I win.

The end result is that I take a trait that is an incredible weakness in most people and turn it into one of my greatest sources of personal power.

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Most people regard me as the dark and immoral side of Massassi. At least I'm getting what I want out of life.

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited December 06, 2003).]

Yeah, well belive it or not, 'sucess' to some people doesn't mean getting laid. Not everyone wants the same thing that you do, and thats why people get pissed off at you when they dont want the outcome you provide... every ****ing time.

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There are two asses in Massassi... and I'm one of them.
The Matrix Unplugged|The Valley of the Jedi Tower|Smaug's Lair

Clan, listen to me, I probably know more details about this whole situations then the others. I've already expressed my thoughts on the situation (though it's been awhile, and I wasn't aware of this current situation).

She used you! She was on the rebound from her last boyfriend. I wished I'd known that before I suggested you make a move on her. I blame myself for not asking you if she'd recently broken up with a boyfriend. If I'd known that, I would advised you to stay away from her, or at least give it some more time (though, as I recall, time was limited...so it may of been a do or die type thing).

For the most part, what Elana14 said in her first paragraph pretty much sums up your ex's side of the situation. However, I disagree with Elana's advice. The reason I disagree is because I know first hand what your going through. You walk into a room and make an attempt to talk to her about it, one of two things are going to happend.

1) If it happens to be the week following her period, and she is not currently in a at least a semi-serious relationship, then one thing is going to lead to another. This is terrible, because the following days, she'll begin avoiding you until she has the gumption to basically break up with you a second time. THIS WILL DESTROY YOU in a way you never thought possible.

2) You'll become emotional. She'll see this as weakness. Then you'll never, ever, EVER have her respect for you again (as a friend or otherwise).

No, GBK and Jon'C are on the right track.
My advice:
Don't go out of your way to avoid her, but make yourself busy. Get involved with clubs or campus activities(erm, that is, the legal ones ). Immerse yourself in studying or editing. If she approaches you to talk to you, DO NOT ENGAGE IN DETAILED CONVERSATION. Make it appear that she's holding you up and you need to be somewhere. Make up some kind of excuss.

This is the deal. I'm going to be honest and frank with you as I always am. She doesn't love you. She never loved you. You have to move on. You have to redirect the focus of your life. Perhaps this means finding someone else. But you have to forget her. I know it's hard man. My ex and I broke up muturally, but it still hurt. It hurt for a very long time. Sometimes I still think of her. But it's becoming less and less. I'm better off without her, as you'll be better off without your ex.

I helped you get into this and now I'm helping you get out of this. You know how good my advice was at getting you in, do you think I'd let you down on getting out?

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Try not, do; or do not.

Ok, I think the best way to do it is just talk to her. If there's ever something going on at school, like they're showing a movie or something, ask her if she would like to go. Treat it like a first date thing, but dont be expecting to get back together. If she says no, come back here and cry more and we'll think of more options.

Or, while you're in class look at all the girls around you. Then sing 'Under the Sea' from The Little Mermaid.

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~amor sui~

god damn he hurts my head.

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I'm like a superhero with no powers or motivation.

Yes because all relationships follow a predefined schedule of when they can become meaningful

A friend of mine got married one month after meeting this guy and they have been together for 7 years.



The spiteful little bugger is right The long and the short of it clan ruthervain
is that it'll take as long as it takes. What works for one doesn't mean it will work for you. Some people prefer talking, others throw themselves into work etc. I tend to prefer exercising myself when I have the cranks with something.

Hmm, well bugger me....pagewizard's advice isn't actually the worst in this thread.....although as usual he phrases it in his own egotistical superhero manner just to get a reaction from everyone else so he can uphold his belief that he is what his signature claims him to be.

From your description clan this girl really doesn't have a lot of respect for your feelings and if you go seeking a confrontation (even a peaceful one) it could just result in her tearing fresh new wounds for you.

Going and screaming at her might feel good in the short term but could just lead to her seeking revenge by rubbishing your name among the university community - I wouldn't rule that out at all.

I know you want to feel better NOW and don't want any "this will pass" advice...but...um, it will. Really, three months is not a hell of a long time at all.

The best cure for this kind of thing actually is a new love....before I met my wife I was struggling to get over a girl who had done me wrong and I tell you, as soon as I was with her that residual pain disappeared almost overnight....really, it was like coming out of some kind of trance and now looking back I can't believe how upset I let myself get over someone who obviously wasn't worth the pain.

I know you probably don't FEEL like looking for someone new, I sure as hell wasn't looking, but try putting yourself in situations where you're meeting new people and who knows what could result. You'll be surprised what can develop under your nose even when it's the last thing you are looking for.

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Cantina Cloud | BCF | The Massassian
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

clan mate. there appears to be a lot of good advice going around this thread, but in the end, strange as it may seem, you're the one that will know best.

If you make a mistake, you will eventually learn from it even if you have to make the same mistake again! If you make a mistake based on someone else's advice, it will surely be harder to learn from as your actions would have been in part somebody else's. Of course you may also think, "Well that was really stupid, why did I ever do that?!"

Anyway, Jaiph has a good point. Looking for somebody new may be the way to go. Chances are that you really dont want to, that whatever this girl may have done you still feel like somehow you still love her, maybe hate her at the same time.

However, if you really feel that you dont want anybody else, wait a while and you may change your mind. Im hoping I will because I cannot be doing with too long of feeling like this.

In the end I guess it's down to you knowing yourself, and, in a cliche, being yourself. If you contact her and say things that are out of character, or at least from a rarely seen part of yourself, this girl may just realise, as others have said, that you really arent the one for her. On the other hand you may feel better for being true to your feelings

Play it your way, you can be selfish here.
Dave

Chances are this girl's really hot right? Thing about really hot girls are that they don't have much bulk to 'em, so there nice and easy to get drunk. Here's the plan, get a mate to get her nice and drunk; you show up, she apologises in a slurred manner, you score and everybody's happy, you could even let your mate have a share.

</sarcasm>

Just give it time, I've recently been jerked around a bit by a girl and I eventually just told her to **** off and haven't looked back however she is going out with my mate and she's gonna see me perform at my school talent show sorta thing. Which is nice and considerate of my mate. Oh well **** the lot of them.

Dave, where in England are ya from?

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tristan is the best friend of the jedi

"I am the signature virus! Copy me into your signature so that I can take over the world! Moohahahee!"

I would tell you to kill her, but that's better than she deserves. What you need to find out is how you can hurt her the most. And do it. If she isn't to the stage where she is crying alone in her room every day, and everybody hates her, then you aren't trying hard enough. Trust me, you'll feel a lot better.

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"I'm more neutrally charged than YOU are" - BV

Dont release your anger.. Anger leads to hate.. Hate leads to the dark side.. Or something...

Dark Side = Bad

*Light side points gained*
/goes back to playing KOTOR

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Happy "Diseased" dud: You said I'd be like this guy. Boycotting everything..
Happy "Diseased" dud: ted kazcnisky. That's who it was.
Happy "Diseased" dud: Wait, That's the unibomer.
Happy "Diseased" dud: Wrong guy.

I've been friends with four people that had...messy relationships (two relationships, I knew all four involved). As a friend, I did what I thought was best - be a listener, a confidant. They would tell and vent all of their anger and depression to me, and I would try and console them.

We'd then do stuff together as a group - generally, at first, sans girlfriend. Watch movies, play videogames, or just hang out.

Thus, my suggestions:

1) Find someone to whom you can spill all of these emotions to, and you can trust not to blab it to everyone, especially the person at whom you are pissed off.

2) Do things with friends. Like it was suggested above, join clubs - busy yourself. The less you think about her, the easier it'll be. While it seems unlikely you two will be able to form a friendship, it'll help, at least, to ease the pain of the break-up.

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
Jack Chick preaches it
NMGOH

Yeah good stuff Wolfy. All of you really. Except the one about making her feel bad, that's just evil

One problem with Wolfy's thing about finding someone to talk to is that the only person I could talk to is my exgirlfriend, and obviously that's a bit of a no-no! Well, ok, I have people I could talk to but unfortunately they're all friends of hers too, which kinda makes it hard. Anyway, yeah, ring a mate, hang out, usually helps

I'm from Nottingham. Bit of a scumhole but bloody good for shopping, if you like that sort of thing. Male shopping too. Mmm AD&D, PC games, cheap CDs from Fopp, etc...

Dave

Argh Doesnt any Brits live near London? Or Guildford even better?

Advice, on the whole, I agree with all of it, even stuff that contradicts the other. But part of me wants to forget her and move on, part of me wants to hurt her and make her cry, part of me wants her back. But if that ever happened I would hope for the strength to dump her quickly, to get her back.

Like Wolfy said, sorta, go out and get pi**ed. Rob, a Civ Eng I have known for 2 weeks but we talk very personnaly about stuff, got me over my bad day, and invited me out to a club in guildford with the rest of the housemates. F***ing brilliant time. I climbed a building too, which was fun. Leant to smoke, but regretted it this morning. But I learnt something last night. I have problems, but so do others. I can't believe the tangled web of lies and love thats going on in our house. The same Rob has feelings for Vicky, so do I actually, but Vicky "accidently" led him before I arrived, and he's in a bad way about it. ANd as for the others, phewww, I aint gonna even start!
There are women I like around me yes, but theres no chance of anything happening.
Women are like Loos. -Either they're occupied or they're full of crap!- Theres a girl I have an interest in, we got quite personal on a night out once, but unfortunately she lives in the same house as my ex, whom shall hence forth be known as the "Crushinator".

Friend's advice I take to heart, he was there everyday listening to me and whine and putting up with my bull cos there was this girl I liked at work. His advice awarded me success, in a manner of speaking. But nobody knew she was really like that, not even Ruth, her co-worker, who is 37 and I fancied her a bit and I should really email her right now actually!
So I will be considering his advice, but considering all other options too. I'm not the same person i was, she doesnt know, and my reaction to this may be out of character.

But UGH! I still want her. SHe's no babe but she's a cutey, and most girls here are just nasty slags! She slapped my arse when she said hi to me in climbing, surely that amounts to something. And the text message she sent me! She mentioned things that made her seem to be ready for someone when she said she wasn't, but knowing my luck it means she's found someone. If she finds someone before me, I'm gonna be pi**ed off. She doesn't deserve anyone, and she always ends up completely F**ing guys up! I'm the one who deserves someone, but sadly, most girls would rather date a big ugly prat who cheats on them, rather than an overly nice guy who would do no wrong by them.

I'm gonna print this stuff out.

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Even the mightiest of men are crippled by love.

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

I live in Bromley, SE Greater London and I've been to Guildford once to go to Anderton's music store. I have no intention of going there ever again.

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tristan is the best friend of the jedi

"I am the signature virus! Copy me into your signature so that I can take over the world! Moohahahee!"