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I would just like to point something out:
She's at the University of Utah and she's being discriminated against because she is is LDS.....what?

If this case wins, this will be disasterous for the University of Utah's reputation. The U of U is seen by Broadway and Hollywood as a place to go to get good, serious actors. There drama department is one of the best. But if this case wins and students can change scripts whenever they want, casting directors will just look at a former U of U student at an audition and say "You graduated from where? Ha! Next!"

Also, this shows that she is not taking her acting seriously. I heartedly doubt the professor was forcing her to take that part. She probably could have taken a different part or just not been in the play. Also, I don't think it mentions it in the story, but the part she was going to play required her to smoke(not literally. just look like it) and she objects to doing that to.

I can tell she should have never gone to U of U. She should have gone to BYU(a private LDS university), where any caffiene at all is not allowed on campus.

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

Also, I would like to say something else. At the high school musical this year, the drama department did "42nd Street". After the first performance, some of the words were changed. Guess what were changed? The word "damn" and the word "hell". Want to know why? Because some parent went to the director and went AWOL on her about those two words.

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

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That's seriously ****ed up.

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She had many choices

• Chose another part. which would have proably the best way to handle it.
• Drop out of the play.
• Go to another collage.

But she decided to sue the school. To me it looks like she couldn't give a S*** about her religon, just wants her 15 Minutes of media attention.

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Signatures are overrated.

"You can run but you will only die tired."

Ok, It's theater, is she wants to become an actress and she succedes, she may get roles which require her to swear.

Seriously, she is Acting, i think the lord would accept tha sin if she prayed and asked for forgivness or soemthing, It's acting, not like she was acauly saying the words in everyday life, thats diffrent.

If she did not want do, I agree, find a diffrent role, drop out or go somewhere else.

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Inter arma silent leges

I'm sure she'll have success in Hollywood some day. After all, no one swears in Hollywood productions.

if she has this level of attention whilst in college, she is a superstar in the making.

attention whores... gotta love em.

on another note, couldn't she have just ad-libbed also... actors who flex the script to their own abilities are better than wooden crapasses anyway.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

What does it mean where it says she's "LDS"?

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"When all else fails, eat pie."
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I don't get it. How would the parent going Absent Without Leave convince the director to change those words?

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"At last, we have come to find the truth to our souls. Though, the truth is not what we expected. I now fear my own soul."

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It annoys me that all the quotes are in capitals. It made me imagine that all the people were shouting.

This is why I left the state of Utah for good old California, and I shall never, ever return.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, ALL CAPS MAKE YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE SHOUTING? ARE DUMB OR SOMETHING?

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
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...I had this big long thing written up basically comparing this thread to the Georgia evolution thing about how the religious conservatives in the state need to die, but then I hit the wrong button.

Basically, I believe her saying that the class went against her beliefs to be spurious. Like was said before, if she's an aspiring actor, then she's obviously going to get into roles requiring things that goes against her LDS beliefs, especially when almost every play other than children's theatre has things that an LDS could object to...

I dislike organized religion, especially when it's one denomination comprising at least 1/3 of a state's population because then you have things like the '42 Street' thing.

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please

That's funny, I know a few mormons going to U of U.

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Roach - Steal acceptance, lend denial.

0 of 14.

Why, does everyone shout in Utah?

All I can say, speaking as a christian but not a LDS, and also speaking as a member of the International Thespian Society; Troop 2646, is this:

If this for a class, then she is well within her rights, and does have full protection under the constitution.

If this is an after school activity, as in where you have try outs and such, and this is actually for a production that the theater department as a club - sanctioned yet separate from the school - then this is to be regarded as 'tough luck' for her, because by trying out, it is willing participation, and therefore she should have known what she was getting into by reading the script prior to the tryout (typically, most school productions make the script or portions of it available 2 weeks prior to tryouts, and you can always look the play up).

Therefore, to summarize:

If this is for a class, good for her. They should be sued.

If this is for an after school club or troop putting on a production, then the case should be thrown out. The fact that it is a separate entity, even though working under the same umbrella as the school, and that you have to try out to get the part, shows that anyone who succeeded in doing so is a willing participant - she should have read the script beforehand, and known to avoid trying out for the part that has offensive language for her, or to turn down the part if it was offered to her (sometimes you can audition one part, and the director casts you in another).

That's my feelings on it, as both a somewhat religious person and also a theater person. In either case, fair is fair.

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*Joren, Legend, Alleged Egomaniac, Thread-Killer, 2-time Ban Recipient, and 6th Grade Spelling Champ*

Just reread it.

Saw this:




The fact that it is a CLASSROOM assignment IS discrimination. No one should be forced to violate their beliefs for a good grade, regardless if they are cultural or religious. I in that case applaud the overturning. Had this been for a production, I would be inclined to agree with you (one rule of theater is you never change the work of the scriptwriter - its considered a grave disrespect to who ever wrote it), but the fact that this was for class, she is within her full constitutional right.

I wonder how many of you would be on the other side of the fence if she was black, and was kicked out for not saying the 'n' word in a script. Same difference - discrimination based on belief.

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*Joren, Legend, Alleged Egomaniac, Thread-Killer, 2-time Ban Recipient, and 6th Grade Spelling Champ*

Many sane people consider racial slurs to be - hey, why aren't you banned?

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

Jedi mind trick - *waves hand* I am not really here.

Anyway, continuing your thought, maybe that's part of the problem - many people feel racial slurs are a big no-no, and even picking on most religions isn't right, but when it comes to something christian based - they feel they can whip it out and piss all over it, and no one should have a problem with that... where is the fairness and equality? They ALL should be bad, regardless.

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*Joren, Legend, Alleged Egomaniac, Thread-Killer, 2-time Ban Recipient, and 6th Grade Spelling Champ*

And this case is eating up valuable court time

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Your opinion, but I beg to differ. I think she has a legit gripe. Again, NO ONE should be forced to do something against their religious or cultural beliefs for a class - that by definition is descrimination when you punish someone because they won't.

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*Joren, Legend, Alleged Egomaniac, Thread-Killer, 2-time Ban Recipient, and 6th Grade Spelling Champ*

I don't think anyone should be required to do anything against their religion in SCHOOL. Sure, if she becomes a hollywood actress, she will definitely be turning down a large number of roles, but that's fine, too. They are a private industry, not a government agency like a public school is. They certainly shouldn't KICK HER OUT OF THE SCHOOL if she doesn't want to use profanity. They should assign her a different role, or make her sit out of the play, or realize that it's very important and maybe pick a different play. People's religious beliefs are an important part of our culture and they shouldn't be so easily dismissed just because some people think profanity isn't "that big a deal."

...All this makes me glad I didnt choose an acting career...

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

I say good for her for not compromising herself. She has a set of beliefs and whether they're right or wrong is irrelevant. She's willing to stand up for them. I know plenty of people who would just grit their teeth and say their line.

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bingo.

ps. what the hell is lds?!?!

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LDS = Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints = mormons

the civilian definition of AWOL is going crazy, etc.

it hasn't been overturned yet. It's up for appeal.

I'm going to make an assumption here. I doubt the professor was restricting her to a specific part. I bet she could have just gotten another part. She probably didn't have to say many swear words, otherwise the parents would have raised hell. Thing is, I'd have to see the script to totally be sure.

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

What? Private LDS University? No caffeine on campus?? Who tells you this?

You know, it's in the Ten Commandments where it says you should not the Lord's name in vain. All christians should be against the professor doing that to her, but I think a lawsuit was overdoing it...

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Hee hee.

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
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Something tells me her acting career won't be very long at all...

Her acting career is irrelevant. This is about the school threatening to kick her out and such because she wouldn't swear due to her religious beliefs. I say she's entirely justified in the whole thing.

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Do you have stairs in your house?

umm.. but not everyone is a devout follower of religion.

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Yes, but those who ARE shouldn't be required to go against it for a class.

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Do you have stairs in your house?

Uh, this is university. She paid to be there.

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

Bah. Let's not forget the Crusades or door-to-door evangelists!

Double standards! yarr!

Private as in not funded by the government. And no caffiene as in it is discouraged or forbidden(usually discouraged) in some places because "it alters a persons state of mind". Of course, most mormons don't comply though. But BYU enforces it and the drink of choice on campus is Sprite.

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"What I find especially funny are the neo-Celtic religions based on accounts made by the Romans. It's like learning about Judaism from Nazi lore." --stat

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