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I know english, I learn it from a book.
2004-02-10, 11:04 AM #1
If you can say, "That it is" can you say, "That it's" or would you have to say, "That's it”? Because "It's" means, "It is”, so technically shouldn't you be able to say, "That it's"?

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2004-02-10, 11:08 AM #2
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As for your question... I have no idea. I think "That it is" is technically wrong anyway...


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2004-02-10, 11:10 AM #3
Yeah, seems grammatically ok to say "That it's".. but I highly doubt it'd be widely understood.
2004-02-10, 11:11 AM #4
Yes.
"Game XXXXX sucks due to the fact that it's boring."

Person A - "Is this what you were looking for?"
Person B - "That's it!"

So what's it that's confusing?

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2004-02-10, 11:16 AM #5
The problem is that the statement, "That it is," uses "that" incorrectly.

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2004-02-10, 11:24 AM #6
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
The problem is that the statement, "That it is," uses "that" incorrectly.</font>


Ahh, how screwed up English is.... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-02-10, 11:36 AM #7
Don't feel like digging around for the reason myself.. so: why is it incorrect?
2004-02-10, 11:40 AM #8
Because you can't end a sentence with "it's"? Seems pretty simple to me.

The same applies for any other group of two words attached with an apostrophe.

For example, "There you're" would be incorrect. The correct form would be "There you are."

That's just the way it is. All languages have silly rules that exist for no good reason.
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2004-02-10, 11:47 AM #9
Are you sure it's not just an unwritten rule? I mean, I've heard of not ending sentences with prepositions.. but apostrophized words?

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2004-02-10, 12:01 PM #10
situation: car accident on the freeway, two guys waiting in traffic in their car.


Guy 1: that's definately a car crash
Guy 2: (select your choice)

A. That's it.
B. That it's.
C. That it is.

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2004-02-10, 12:20 PM #11
D. Yes, it is.

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2004-02-10, 12:22 PM #12
E. I am a potato.

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2004-02-10, 12:23 PM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">As for your question... I have no idea. I think "That it is" is technically wrong anyway...</font>
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2004-02-10, 1:02 PM #14
Bah! I say everyone should speak Ebonics!

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2004-02-10, 1:25 PM #15
F. That depends on what the word 'a' means.

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2004-02-10, 1:28 PM #16
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2004-02-10, 2:17 PM #17
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2004-02-10, 3:31 PM #18
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2004-02-10, 3:39 PM #19
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2004-02-10, 5:11 PM #20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
The problem is that the statement, "That it is," uses "that" incorrectly.</font>


Yeap. If you want to be grammatically correct, it is incorrect to end a sentence with a verb like 'is' (although, as with everything in English, there are exceptions). Finish off the sentence and you'll see what I mean:

Guy 1:
That's definately a car crash.
Guy 2:
Yes, it is definitely a car crash. [correct]
Yes, that is definitely a car crash. [correct]
Yes, that it is definitely a car crash. [incorrect]

See? In this case the words 'that' and 'is' are exclusive.

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2004-02-10, 6:24 PM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Yes, that it is definitely a car crash. [incorrect]</font>


The "that" in "that it is" refers to "a car crash". The phrase is a reorganization of "it is that", not an abbreviation for a longer sentence.

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2004-02-10, 6:30 PM #22
Well it's still grammatically incorrect [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-02-10, 6:39 PM #23
I don't think it is incorrect. You can end sentences with verbs.

"It is what I want."
"The school is where I run."

It just involves different implied emphasis. "That it is" still makes plenty of sense. That being said, ending a sentence with a contraction is just weird.

And if you want to be proper, ending sentences with prepositions is bad. I believe you are supposed to re-arrange them...they'll actually sound nifty.

On that note, "Where's it at?" is a giant pet peeve of mine, (TFTI!!!) YOU DON'T NEED THE 'AT' BECAUSE YOU ALREADY ASKED WHERE IT IS. And ALSO, as far as I know, it would be "At where is it?" Blah! I'm always right and everyone knows it. They're just being wrong to make me sad.

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2004-02-10, 7:06 PM #24
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