I don't like any of them, from the left or the right.

But then again who could appreciate anyone whose job and life is centered around pissing and whining?

Especially the damn people who whine to big name companies, the damn hypocrites. Complaining about other people's "Non-left" or "Non-right" way of running their business, but then again they're just protesting about their 'freedom'.

The most common protesting about a big name company is how they pay their employees. Yeah, the employees are slaves who don't have a choice to work there and the company doesn't have the right to run their business that way.

But of course, thinking with Sam Kinison logic, we could find a solution! How about stop whining about it and... Put prisoners in their place! YES! Prisoners don't mind if their working conditions aren't exactly as smooth and nice as Salma Hayek's buttocks.

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I see you standin' there, you think you're so cool. Why don't you just... **** OFF!

Yes. Most activists are mindless drones who can't form an opinion for themselves and believe anything they are told.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Zealots are worse.

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

I think alot of the time and energy (and money they put into their protests) could be better spent elsewhere, helping those who are less fortunate than they are. They would still be able to get their message across, and would probably be taken more seriously even.

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Zealots are awesome, with those energy blades, when you get a bunch of them, they can really kick some zerg as-- Wait.. wrong kind of zealot

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Happy "Diseased" dud: You said I'd be like this guy. Boycotting everything..
Happy "Diseased" dud: ted kazcnisky. That's who it was.
Happy "Diseased" dud: Wait, That's the unibomer.
Happy "Diseased" dud: Wrong guy.

Last Thanksgiving a bunch of vegans were outside my window staring at me with such hostile, vicious eyes.

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I see you standin' there, you think you're so cool. Why don't you just... **** OFF!

Well they might be taken seriously if they didn't block streets and start throwing things and making themselfs look like 5 year olds.

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[=-"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does;
Even if you murdered or robbed, years wrong, but God loves;
Take one step toward him, he takes two toward you;
Even when all else fail, God supports you." - Nas-=]

Sounds like a Democratic convention.

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Nah dragoons totally own zealots, I mean, check the damage, and RANGED attack! How can you possibly beat t... oh. ...whoops

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"The future is not determined by a throw of the dice, but is determined by the conscious decisions of you and me."
I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

Because...why?

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

Sometimes some activist groups, such as Peta and Greenpeace, seem to do a good job of turning people AWAY from whatever cause they are trying to gather support FOR.

I'm someone who cares a great deal about the environment, but everytime on the news I see Greenpeace seeking to hang some banner on the front of a nuclear warship for publicity I just want to...slap someone.

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

Yeah, Syndicate Agents with Long Range Rifles totally maul anything the Zealots can come up with anyways...

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There is no spoon.

Wow, that was a wonderful contribution. Way to generalize, Sol.

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I'm a C4D b****!

That happens here in Berkeley all the time.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

I don't mind PETA....if it's the People Eating Tasty Animals.....

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Only To Keep The Public Happy

Mmmm...animals.

I'm hankerin' for a nice juicy rib-eye or top sirloin.

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Activists in general? No, but I do think the ones who shout slogans and make stupidly absurd comments (i.e. Bush is the moral equivalent of Hitler), or who claim to stick up for the little guy against Big Evil Corporations or Amerikkka are a low form of scum. In my experience, these people are usually middle-class socialist collegiate brats who whine about consumer capitalism and social norms at every possible opportunity.

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Or they're from a certain continent!

People who mock activists who genuinely believe in a cause by relishing in doing the exact thing they think is wrong, however, rank slightly lower. Such people are no better.

Proposition 1: Most activists are brainless repetitive drones gibbering what their college art prof told them about world politics.

Proposition 2: Most non-activists are brainless repetitive drones gibbering what ESPN told them about world football scores.

I find both varieties equally tedious and wastes of brainmeats.
They're certainly not all that way though, either.

But people who try to prove their validity and worth-listening-to-ness by throwing produce and rocks and ice at the presidential limousine during the inagural parade, yeah, we need more chlorine in the gene pool there, i mean honestly. Or people who try to prove that murder is wrong by blowing up clinics. They both are equally WTF and repugnant in my view..

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Without activism, blacks would probably still be slaves, and women wouldn't have rights. Activists are a good thing. The world needs whiners, else nothing would change. Of course, there's always the people who do it poorly... for example the bombings in abortion clinics. I suppose you could also say terrorism is a form of activism. But these people are fanatics... and every cause has fanatics. Christianity has alot of fanatics; brainless drones who shove their religion down everyone's throats at every opportunity, but that doesn't mean you have to judge all christians because of a specific group of people who make the religion look bad.

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...Your point stands, and I don't mean to nitpick, but I have never known an Agnostic or Buddhist to do any of those things.

In past centuries it was quite common for Buddhist monks to hire themselves out as armed mercenary forces. Even today there's not uncommon instances of say Buddhist monks flinging molotov cocktails at Hindus or whatever in SE Asia, at least by what i've heard in various history courses.

And i've had agnostics very adamantly and expressively try to browbeat people into believing that they can't really know what to believe or such..

And i was largely just trying to be more or less unilateral. To be perfectly fair i should have included perl coders and KDE users in there as well.

I am a very strong believer that the common denominator in conflicts issues intolerance whatever is in fact /people/, not necessarily any particularly creed religion philosophy or programming language.

That is, remove religion or whatever from the human condition, and i am totally confident that we would find numerous other excuses to do exactly the same things people blame on religion.

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[This message has been edited by Dormouse (edited February 12, 2004).]

A great many of them are bandwagoners. They become "activists" because it's the hip thing to do. They know nothing about the cause they are supporting except what is told to them by whatever group they are members of. They are often completely unwilling to even listen to the otherside's views much less even consider that someone else might be right about something.

To be fair, most of my knowledge on the supject of activists comes from my many dealings with environmental groups as that is my area of study in college. The Sierra Club is a perfect example of what I said above. For the most part, they have no idea what they are talking about.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Should have thrown some sausages and bacon at them....

Animal rights activists are the only ones which annoy me... i ignore the rest.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

Your right my mom is one of those religious Zealots... she's very hard to live with.

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Don't be unwise judge me not by my size. You wont believe your eyes watch the xwing rise!

I wrote a long reply yesterday but then decided not to post it because I figured most of you would just roll your eyes and think 'oh man that Evad has got to shut up sometime'. Heh...
But, Flexor is right. Activism is democracy. Idiots confronting the cops is not activism. Activists marching, making noise, waving banners, confronting autorities and making thier concerns known is activism.

Using the example from Poggle's first post, underpaying employess from large multinational corporations, is a tough call.
Lets say you are the CEO of ABC Inc. and your boss tells you, 'If you get operating costs down to [this many dollars] in the next 2 years, we'll give you a $14,000,000 bonus.'
All of a sudden you don't care about anyone or anything except the bonus (remember the CEO of Compaq got $91,000,000 for making the merger with HP work (which is utterly ridiculous and the topic of another thread)).
Anyway, the next thing you know, 4 US plants are closing and being moved overseas. Four thousand people are out of work in the US and now ABC Inc. is paying foreigners $1.80/day to do the same work they had to pay union workers $120/day to do (looks like you're going to get your bonus).
Hmmm... what to do?
Well first off, there are 4000 of your fellow citizens out of work. This makes your economy worse.
On the other hand, there are 4000 people who now make $1.80/day. Is this so terrible? Ask them first I say.
A documentary on this very topic seemed to show that these people making $1.80/day were very happy. They had jobs finally and they could provide for thier families (remember bread isn't $1.20/loaf everywhere in the world).

So, do we go forth and make noise at conferences around the world seeking justice for our fellow citizens and for those that should be making more money in under-developed countries? If you believe whole heartedly in that, then yes, go forth and make noise. Just be carefull becasue if you decide to throw bricks through a Starbucks window you will be swarmed by police because it's against the law to do that. Even if you don't like the way Starbucks operates overseas.


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To artificial life, all reality is virtual.

Slavery had a great number of psychotic violent activists just like abortion does now. Take John Brown for example.

Actually, the parallels between abortion and slavery are astounding in a number of ways more than that, so much so that I'm even considering writing a paper on it.

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Ω of 14

Especially the Linux/OSS ones.

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Ω of 14

Rather much killed the thread with that comment, didn't I...

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Ω of 14

Yes, yes they are.

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

Hey! I propose that I and anyone else enlightened enough join me in starting a grass-roots movement to speak out against these so-called activists!
We'll do whatever it takes to raise public awareness of just how annoying people whose "job and life is centered around pissing and whining" can really be! We'll meet under the flagpole at dawn and march to city hall! Who's with me!?!

ackward silence...

(Ok, so I'll get back to you when I've had a chance to confer with myself as to whether or not I'll accept my own proposal)

The problem with activism is that when you are out there, fully committed, promoting a good cause to a society that clearly doesn't care enough, this can become a very convenient excuse to justify an attitude of smug superiority and spiteful bitterness.
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Hehehe, that would make a funny sketch on SNL or some other similar show

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.