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Windows NT and 2k source code leaked
2004-02-12, 12:01 PM #1
http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/12/2114228.shtml?tid=109&tid=187
Thats all I have for you right now

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2004-02-12, 12:02 PM #2
Anyone got a copy of it yet? Id like to pick through it... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-02-12, 12:08 PM #3
I wonder about microsoft recently.. All these security holes and now this. What are they trying to do? Lower the share price or something?

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2004-02-12, 12:12 PM #4
Maybe they did it on purpose, and they want to get people to fix it, then they use that code and say there was a major breakthrough. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

Anyway, I've been wondering recently how this has never happened before. Guess now it has.

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2004-02-12, 12:42 PM #5
I don't think many people are going to fix these holes, more then exploit them. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-02-12, 12:44 PM #6
You're probably right. Though I don't know, if a group of people start working on it, think of how embarassing the list would be.

(it would be long!)

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2004-02-12, 1:10 PM #7
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">In related news, the leaked Microsoft Windows source code is the least-downloaded file in internet history. It turns out that Microsoft's "most closely held intellectual property" is of interest to nobody.</font>
2004-02-12, 1:12 PM #8
I was thinking, this is great.. You know, we can all finally pick through it and see if all the rumors of spying and reporting components are true... But then it dawned on me, what if Microsoft rolled together a limited version of the code that doesnt include all the increminating code, and purposefully released it?

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2004-02-12, 1:16 PM #9
You'd think they would try to attatch something to it to report an IP address of sort, to track everybody down.

Oh well, I hope some hacker screws with our school network...

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2004-02-12, 1:26 PM #10
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Brian:
In related news, the leaked Microsoft Windows source code is the least-downloaded file in internet history. It turns out that Microsoft's "most closely held intellectual property" is of interest to nobody.</font>


Actully, no. OTS is the least-downloaded file in internet history.

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2004-02-12, 1:35 PM #11
A file list can be found here. If it down, Ill mirror it. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-02-12, 1:42 PM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
A file list can be found here. If it down, Ill mirror it. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

</font>


What the hell. You are a moderator. That is almost like aiding in the use of illegal material

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2004-02-12, 1:49 PM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
Actully, no. OTS is the least-downloaded file in internet history.

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2004-02-12, 1:49 PM #14
Microsoft Sucks...let it stay.

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2004-02-12, 1:52 PM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ubuu:
What the hell. You are a moderator. That is almost like aiding in the use of illegal material</font>


Its just a filelist. A file list. Its not the source. It does, however, indicate the leak is valid.

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2004-02-12, 1:55 PM #16
uhm. If you use only linux, how exactly would you know if this is a full source leak? Scratch that, even if you didnt only use linux how would you know that.

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2004-02-12, 1:58 PM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MBeggar:
uhm. If you use only linux, how exactly would you know if this is a full source leak? Scratch that, even if you didnt only use linux how would you know that.</font>


Exactally. My guess is that this is some sort of ploy by Microsoft....

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2004-02-12, 2:01 PM #18
uh.. you didnt answer my question

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2004-02-12, 2:09 PM #19
More coverage here.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MBeggar:
uh.. you didnt answer my question</font>


What do you want me to say? I have no idea if its the full source code. My OS of choice is irrelevent.

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2004-02-12, 2:11 PM #20
I know the OS is irrelevant, but I asked how you knew it was a full leak. You just said "exactly" that confused me.

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2004-02-12, 2:11 PM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Anyway, I've been wondering recently how this has never happened before</font>

VERY strict confidentiality agreements. I could go to jail for 20 years if I told you some of the stuff I worked on for the US military. That is probably what MS employees face. A very nice deterent.

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2004-02-12, 2:16 PM #22
Reguardless of how many times it's been downloaded, perhaps I should consider boosting the security around my computer... I'm running Win2k Pro.

As if I'd ever really get around to it though...

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2004-02-12, 2:36 PM #23
MBeggar, he says "exactly" meaning he doesn't know if it's a full leak. He is suggesting that it's only a partial leak.
2004-02-12, 2:51 PM #24
oh, I misunderstood. My bad

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2004-02-12, 2:53 PM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Evad:
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Anyway, I've been wondering recently how this has never happened before</font>

VERY strict confidentiality agreements. I could go to jail for 20 years if I told you some of the stuff I worked on for the US military. That is probably what MS employees face. A very nice deterent.

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2004-02-12, 5:15 PM #26
The Windows source is made up of tons of modules that are fairly separate from each other and from what I understand, very few people have access to all of the code.

Or so I've been told by someone I know who is part of the Windows dev team.

Not to mention that I've yet to see any actual evidence of such a leak. If anything, it's probably a few modules maybe, but it's very unlikely that it's the whole thing.
2004-02-12, 5:29 PM #27
full leak or not, you can bet now that Microsoft will be downloading Linux more than anybody else out there hunting for an SCO claim. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-02-12, 5:45 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yecti:
full leak or not, you can bet now that Microsoft will be downloading Linux more than anybody else out there hunting for an SCO claim. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]</font>


No serious OSS developer would dare use *any* code from Windows. THink of the instabilities it would introduce!

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2004-02-12, 6:30 PM #29
http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1076632515
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5158496.html
http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-5158496.html?tag=nefd_lede
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[edit]
Looks like it's only a portion of the code. Over at neowin people have been saying the entire source code is several GB's, and the leaked 2k source code is only totaling 194mb.

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Another guy over at neowin says "It's some really integral parts of the Windows 2000 Source Code, about 1.7% of the total code, but very prior parts (kernel, task manager, modules, shell, driver interface, ie)."

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From BetaNews -
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The claimed Windows 2000 source code archive contains 30,915 files totaling approximately 13.5 million lines. The source is dated July 25, 2000, placing it after the official release of the operating system, which was rumored to contain between 35 and 50 million lines of code in its entirety.</font>



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[This message has been edited by Jin (edited February 12, 2004).]
2004-02-12, 6:36 PM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jin:
...Looks like it's only a portion of the code. Over at neowin people have been saying the entire source code is several GB's, and the leaked 2k source code is only totaling 194mb.</font>


Its compressed.

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2004-02-12, 6:39 PM #31
it's already been stated on /. that it's quite a humongous amount of code. Compression is high..

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2004-02-12, 6:45 PM #32
That's pretty amazing compression. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/eek.gif]

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2004-02-12, 6:48 PM #33
I've made it my personal goal for the night, to get a file listing... erm.. and that's it. Yeah i'd never keep the windows source no no no.

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2004-02-12, 6:48 PM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jin:
That's pretty amazing compression. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/eek.gif]</font>


Not really. Source code is all plain text, and plain text compresses nicely.


I compressed over 190mb of JED backup files down to a 1mb once. I used 7z, not zip, but the principle is the same.

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2004-02-12, 6:54 PM #35
yeah, you have to consider that all the zipper is doing is removing empty space. So within a text file, anything white gets scrunched down. With multiple gigs of text, all of the formatting and spacing and all the separate lines of code to make it legible to the coding staff (which from what I've read from some of the grebs can't read the damn code anyways) get discarded. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-02-12, 6:54 PM #36
From ZDNet -
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The 203MB file expands to just under 660MB, he said, noting that the final code size almost perfectly matches the capacity of a typical CD-ROM. The entire source code, he said, is believed to be about 40GB, meaning that the file circulating Thursday is only a fraction of the full code base.

"It looks real," he said. "You can't build Windows, however. It's just a bunch of chunks of the operating system."</font>


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2004-02-12, 7:05 PM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yecti:
yeah, you have to consider that all the zipper is doing is removing empty space....</font>


True, but better compression schemes will also search out patterns to compress it further... For instance, you gotta know most of the code in Windows consists of "if(in_use) CauseCrash()".... These patterns can be removed, saving space. LOTS of space.

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2004-02-12, 9:01 PM #38
Soooo... anyone get a glimpse of it yet?


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2004-02-12, 9:36 PM #39
Well, judging from the file list GBK posted, which I didn't notice earlier, it looks like many of the windows apps could be built from this. Also some of the info here might help the development of WINE... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

The good, the bad, and the ugly:

Good, helps WINE
Bad, helps hackers
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2004-02-12, 11:24 PM #40
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NoESC:
I can just see it now, all the notepad and mspaint clones/mods... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]
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Please, oh please, tell me that was a joke... You don't need the source code of an operating system to make MSPaint, and certainly not Notepad.

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