Read here.

I'm reading conflicting sources that say the cost of the program was between $8 and $38 billion. I'm hoping this doesn't carry over to the F-22 program, and I wonder what impact it'll have on Boeing.

Thoughts?


-Fox

I think it's horrible, as I thought the Comanche would have been a great military helicopter, but this doesn't surprise me. There has been talks of terminating the program since the beginning of the Afghanistan conflict.

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The US Marines still use the venerable Cobra in Iraq.

If it isn't broken/outdated, don't fix/replace it?

The comanche was awesome! Nobody cars about the F22

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/me breaths a sigh of releaf.


I keep having the recurring dream where I wake up, walk over to my window, and theres a silent helicopter hovering outside my window, guns hot, pointing a laser target designator at my head. Theres a flash from the helo . . and bam, the dream ends. I wake up in a pool of sweat with a rather nasty bruise in the middle of my forehead and the headache that could split rock...


Hopefully this means the dreams will stop.

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It would not be good for my local economy, because we have several Boeing plants in Long Beach, Cali. The closest one is within walking distance to my house.



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It is outdated. The USMC is well-known for using old, obsolete equipment since they don't have funds to constantly replace them. The Comanche would have replaced the Kiowa, which does not have the performance needed for a recon bird, and should not have replaced the Cayuse.



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uhh.. wha??

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I'm not saying it isn't old, I mean it's been in use since Vietnam. It's not as if the US Army drives around in M60 Pattons anymore . It's even limited to two blades on it's rotor. But I think it's still a perfectly "serviceable" alternative as a supporting weapons platform, playing a close support role for the workhorse Apache's or groundforces. It can carry Hellfires (can't it?) and rockets, which should still be enough to take out most armour and entrenched infantry in use by any current "bandit nations". Yes, it's not cutting-edge, the Comanche has better performance and more toys & gadgets (including the silence and stealth), but when you're fighting opponents still mainly using Soviet-era arms (and not fighting a traditional war of attrition) then it still has it's uses. Kind of how any assault rifle is still serviceable compared to the new project, the OI- something (?). It's still as good as it ever was at blowing stuff up and killing, just not as surgical and quite as effective (not to mention expensive) as the next thing.

The Kiowa? Really? Does it even carry weapons? I always saw the Kiowa as more of a target aquisition/designation helicopter. A ground AWACS if you will. Though I haven't really read up on the subject, the Comanche didn't seem very specialised in recon to me. More of a stealthier hunter-killer thingie, to replace the venerable Cobra role if anything. Ok, thanks for clarifying.

The OICW program was cancelled/halted, if I remember correctly, in favor of the XM-8 project.

The thing is, the Army doesn't have Cobras to replace, the Marines do, but the Marines weren't the ones behind the Comanche program. The Comanche was mainly designed to replace the Kiowa while creating a new niche for helicopters, an information-gathering and combat-effective aircraft. Though the Kiowa can carry weapons, it's very mostly armed with rockets and gun pods.

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Freud would say it means that you want kill your dad and screw your mother.

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I thought the F-22 had been pretty much shelved by the JSF?

The Commanche was an Army project, not Navy / Marines.

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NO! THOSE SONS OF *****! I wanted to use the OICW when I went into the military! In Ghost Recon is kicked ***!

Anyway, the SuperCobra is slowly but surely taking over the Cobra. It's the Cobra, but more modern.

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited February 23, 2004).]

No, the F-35 is meant to compliment the F-22. The F-22 is meant to replace the F-15, whilst the F-35 fills the niches originally taken up by the F-16, F-18, and AV-8 Harrier for the Air Force, Navy, and Marines respectively.


-Fox

The XM-8 is just the 5.56mm component of the OICW. All you'll be lacking is the very awkward 20mm HE system and the land warrior system that should never have been placed on a weapon anyways.

Odd they want to cancel that, while refuse to abandon that complete failure called the patriot missle.

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That failure is the only system like that, until someone else comes up with something better, the Patriot will used.



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They will now be using the money to buy 120 or so Comanches to now buy 800 black hawks to add to the fleet of 1400 helicopters. I think it kinda sucks cuz i always looked forward to the apache after years of playing Desert Strike and Jungle Strike on the SNES... They said that the comanche would be impractical since they are now working in the field of unmanned aircraft, lame if u ask me but o well... The F-22 is still being developed though so i wouldnt worry about that, i do find it strange though after 20 years of making and perfecting the Comanche that it was scrapped, thats a full military career which im sure several devoted all theres to the comanche [sigh]

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After this long and this much money, I don't see how it would be at all reasonable to close it.

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I hate to tell you GBK, but that's Microsoft coming for you!

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Wait, im confused. 20mm HE system = grenade launcher? and what is the land warrior system?

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

No, Microsoft is that stupid little dog I keep running over in my dreams. You know, the one that always barks as you drive by . . . only, while you guys might just pass him up, I actully swerve in an honest effort to squish the **** out of it. Its bark is worse than its bite...

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No, 20mm HE = cannon that fires explosive rounds. Land Warrior System

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The lw system seems to superficial, like a frickin mirror would be more effective then that bulky camera, but it is the future of infatry. I think it will probaly only be a special-op type training for seals, delta, rangers, recon and the like since noone has enough money to turn every soldier into a one man army...

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There's always the F2000.

Besides, the XM8 looks like it could turn out better than the OICW anyway.



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