If you click the 'About' link at HTP, you'll see that I have Opera and Firebird.
I want to start to do my little bit to get people to try them and maybe start using them.


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I want to come up with an alternate [or at least specialised] design for my new in-progress site-design, that will go for the american beauty mentality, i want it to look good naked, ie in Lynx

The general idea being that the web is kinda supposed to be platform-independant, despite what microsoft keeps trying to convince everyone with their infuriatingly asinine propriatory coding and bad-html-recognition in IE.. there are w3 standards for a reason..

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[This message has been edited by Dormouse (edited February 26, 2004).]

You should just say "any browser" and link to http://www.anybrowser.org/ - because people may be turned off by thinking, "geez, this guy can't make his site compatible with IE? what a loser" - you have to consider who your audience is when you're making a business web site!

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I hate it when people purposely design their sites to not show up well in IE. You definately dont want to do that if you want people to take your site seriously.

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What exactly does it take to make a site compatible with IE? Aside from purposely breaking some css standards and box-models and such to make it display the same way in IE as in compliant browsers..

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I spent a long time making OSC work with every browser. But I bet Lynxx doesn't like it.

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Well, the reality is that IE is the browser most people use. It's there. It's in Windows. And people really don't care to try to fiddle with something else to browse the internet.
So, yes any website made for the masses must be viewable in IE, but to rephrase my question, do you have a 'best viewed in...' link on your page?

For example, when I did www.360viewonline.com I had to put IE and NS because it's the easiest and most well known way for people to get and install Quicktime plugin to view the 360 views online.

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My point was that coding for IE is largely foolproof in that any fool can make a page and IE will render it with their little horrid-coding-fixing algorithms that they keep very tightly secret.

Now making it work on any other platform [macintosh for instance] is somewhat more of cerebral endeavour..

And no i do not have any such banner Evad.. in fact i don't so far have any graphical elements on it at all.

And i check all my coding both against w3 and in IE as an idiot-check to make sure it'll display to the masses who can't be arsed to use another browser.. generally i figure fire* will take care of itself, and the current releases of NS seem generally quite brainless abuot showing things properly as well, not to mention theyre not relaly continuing that line anyways. So i code for opera and check that it still works otherwise.. you'll never catch me putting ms-build-java-applets or any of their other devilry on there..

[Btw your site is very tastey, Yacti.. ]

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[This message has been edited by Dormouse (edited February 26, 2004).]

^ too true.
And about the CSS rules being broken to render things properly, man that drove me nuts for awhile.

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I don't like "best viewed with ..." on sites, it just screams out that the webmaster can't be bothered to check the site works well on other browsers.

For the record i've never had a problem getting a page to display the same in both Internet Explorer and Mozilla, and yes I do check with the w3c validators. Opera on the other hand is always a real hassle.

It's always easy to get it working on two of the three: opera, mozilla, ie. But when you want all three, it gets to be a pain. Since I develop for opera/mozilla, then check in IE, I have the same experience det has, except that IE is the problem.

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Generally if it clears w3 then it looks proper and right in Opera and Fire*, never had any problems with that really, not since opera 7 at least.

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My site is best served cold. And it renders well enough in both 'Zilla and IE.

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I develop within Linux, and I usually test with Konqueror first, then `zilla. Once in a long while Ill try accessing the page with a Windows box and IE, only to find that all the perfectly-tweaked layouts I had written with Konqueror look like **** in IE. I used no dirty tricks, the code is clean, yet it renders badly in IE...


Lately Ive just been blocking any user who tries to access with IE. Quick, simple, and I can advertise Firefox in the proccess...


I know Ill get flamed for that link, so Ill just say it now.. Its a joke. When the site is finished, and a user tries to access with IE, they will be given access. Only itll be plain-text...

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Thought it was quite funny as far as jokes go...!

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I did download Firefox, I broke it within 15 seconds, this is no joke.

...Right....
Anyway, I made mine around Firebird, and somehow it stuck it out through IE also. The design looks good in both. I haven't checked Opera though, but I don't see any reason for it to look bad in there, and I find that VERY FEW people actually visit with anything but IE and Firefox anyway.

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