I just got done watching Matrix Revolutions for the first time. What did I just see? Could someone explain it? I have a vague idea, but I need help.

Also, someone on a radio show was talking and he said that if you look closely, you'll see that the Matrix is all an allusion to the Bible and thereafter. Can anyone confirm this? (i can sort of see it)

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

Welcome to yesterday.

I didn't quite catch the ending myself. Everyone seems to have their own interpretation of it. Maybe that's what they intended - not to make a movie with a specific set meaning, but to leave it open to imagination and let people draw their own conclusions. *shrug*

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oh, wow. this is a bit late. i havn't seen that in awhile (since it was released, actually) so i dont remember quite what went on, but if you describe some parts you don't get i may beable to help you.

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"No good can ever come from staying with normal people"
-Outlaw Star
"Some people play tennis. I erode the human soul"
-Tycho, Penny Arcade
"I'm a Cannabal-Vegitarian. I will BBQ an employee if there is no veggie option"
-DX:IW

or they did it so vauge because it made it easier to link it to the videogame.

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"No good can ever come from staying with normal people"
-Outlaw Star
"Some people play tennis. I erode the human soul"
-Tycho, Penny Arcade
"I'm a Cannabal-Vegitarian. I will BBQ an employee if there is no veggie option"
-DX:IW

What were the Oracle and the head program guy talking about at the ending? Did they have some kind of bet going?

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

I think it wan't quite a bet, but close. i guess they each had thier own theories and feelings about humanity, and how this would end. The oracle believed in humanity more, i think the point was, and she turned out to be mostly correct, since Neo succeded.

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"No good can ever come from staying with normal people"
-Outlaw Star
"Some people play tennis. I erode the human soul"
-Tycho, Penny Arcade
"I'm a Cannabal-Vegitarian. I will BBQ an employee if there is no veggie option"
-DX:IW

I almost think it was like a game to those two because in Reloaded the head program guy tells Neo that he isn't the first person to try and do what he is doing.

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

I noticed this aswell. Neo is just like a Christ figure, gave his life for peace. Also there are many Biblical referances in the movie, all three of them. I turly think that the Wachoski(sp?) brothers really thought about this movie.

There are other rumors about the movie, other interpretations, like Smith representing Sin that was spread around that world (hence Smith cloning himself everywhere) and Neo(Christ) died to get rid of all the Smiths(Sin).

But hey, who knows. I really think Neo did represent a Christ-like figure to some extent.



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Another thing to relize in the movie is, The Oracle isn't a "good-guy" She simply is a program to collect information about humans and use that to make a better Matrix the next time. One that more will except.

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that brings up another point: at the end of the battle between Neo and Smith, why was Smith so freaked out when he remembered how he saw the end of the battle should go?

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

This is a HUGE FLIPPIN' read. But it could answer most of your questions.

Note: It has spoliers, so make sure you have seen all three movies, it is a interesting explanation of them.

Just made the site real quick.

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"Run Away!"

Because he was freaking out over Neo just giving up. He thought that he was planning something, but went along with killing him anyways because he is crazy.


oh yeah, and Neo does represent Jesus. did you see the crucifix that showed up on neo's chest when the machine killed the smiths? That and all the "jesus christ" references through the films, and "you're my saviour, my own personal jesus christ."


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[This message has been edited by Cazor (edited February 29, 2004).]

Thank you Burrboy. Cazor, Burrboy has a slightly different explanation about the last battle thing in the website.

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

I wouldn't say you had to look particularly closely to see the similarities...

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I'll present an alternative theory:

The last movie was all just a way for the Wachouskialskakahgna bros to give a big "**** you" to all of the people who praised the Matrix for emulating manga by emulating not only anime, but terrible terrible anime. Hooray, an insult to people who watch real anime.

What "happened"? Neo sacrificed himself to redeem our sins against the AI. Big allusion there. The sad part about it is the, oh, 2 hours before that sequence. As a moviegoer this was like being *****-slapped. They wasted 3 movies setting up some sad pseudo-philosophical BS. An insult to intellectuals!

The last movie, with the Architect saying that he doesn't lie is meant to be a slap in the face for all of the people who invented decent endings.

The fact that there are so painfully few kung fu action sequences - most of the film takes place in the real world, involving robotic exosuits (I wonder where they got that idea) or on a hovership with the soap opera of the future was an insult to Matrix fans.

In short, this movie was just one huge insult from start to finish. Altogether I paid about $50 to see all of the movies at opening (IMAX. Costs more). I ended up with a story that I could have ripped out of the Bible and handed to a DBZ scriptwriter to edit. Total crap.

I was stunned after seeing Revolutions. I tried to process what I just saw and I finally came to the conclusion of, "HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO US!!!!"

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Only To Keep The Public Happy

Yes, I was left with a distinct feeling of WTF? Not as much as the second one, but in a way moreso, because it was the last movie.

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[This message has been edited by happydud (edited February 29, 2004).]

I think the Wachowski brothers intentially left the last 2 movies wide open to differemt interpretations as deep or as shallow as you wish. Of course most of us just sit there thinking 'what the **** is going on?' while enjoying all the spiffy special effects, but hey the movies work on that level too

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Just to let you know(in case you didn't) I didn't write that, i found it on the net one day and saved it.

I aswell think the ending was a little dissapointing. I wanted more of a closeing.

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[This message has been edited by BurrBoy (edited February 29, 2004).]

My pastor took this class on the matrix and had to watch it like 17 times and learned all this stuff about it. He said it really was more of a Eastern Mysticism thing then Christianity.

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If you aren't interested in figuring it out for yourself, this guy has most of the right answers.

Jon`C: You suck.

I agree with Jon'C.

Even though I found the first one a bit entertaining, the other two were crap and I'm glad I haven't seen them again.

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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

wow, this is weird. I'm always one of the only ones that likes movie. I enjoyed Phantom Menace, AotC, and Matrix series, yet most people here don't.

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

I did, too. everyone else sucks.

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What did you just see?

A terrible movie.

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Don't worry, the club isn't that small. I liked them.

Same here i liked all of those..

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"Run Away!"

I liked them too. Problem for everyone is, the last two take a bit more digging to get meaning out of, so most people don't bother. Lazy gits.

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Hehe..I think the Wachowski brothers intended for this to happen...That everyone would formulate their own theories to the movies...It's a confusion conspiracy, I tell ya.

Hey, cool, I thought I was like the only one who actually liked those movies mentioned. I guess we who liked them just aren't as vocal as those who hated them. Oh well. Good to know I'm not going insane -- at least in this matter.

(BTW, Ictus, thank you! I've been looking for that site since I saw Revolutions... I thought I'd lost it! Whee...)

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"Well, it could be worse -- it could be windy!" -popular Canadian saying.

I don't like Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions, but I liked The Phantom Menace a bit, and thought that AOTC was OK.



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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

Actually, the Matrix is based on a cult offshoot of christianity that has more to do with gnosticism than christianity.

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