i am going to type a list of my various views and opinions, any yo tell me where you belive i stand politically and what political party (even a third, obsure one) i sound like. then post yours and we categorize you, and so the conversation goes on. please do not personnaly attack other's views, just continue the thread.

views:

• We should not punish the rich for their sucess with obsenly high taxes, but they definatly do deserve a MUCH larger % tax than people with low incomes. (also there should be more high end tax bracets to break up the rich from the UBORMAXORCASHXORSDOODS)
• Diplomacy is always preferrable to war, but somtimes war is both just and a nessessity.
• Life= conseption to death, and innocent life must be defended at any costs no exeptions
• execution is NOT somthing we should preform often, only when there is NO way to control the criminal otherwise (ie he kills prisoners or breaks out and commits violent crime)in other words, ther eis no excuse in this day age and place
• It is meritous to give the very poor government assistance, but they owe such assistance back to the government in the form of community service equalling the difference between the hours they work and a full work week (40 hours).
• such aid should come in the form of vouchers for rent, emergency medical care, food, and other nessessities.
• we should neither be tree huggers nor wasteful consumers, we do have dominion over the world and should use what we need, but also rememer we are stewards of creation and should make sure nature is still there tomorrow.
• separation of church and state should exist, in the form that the government cannot inpose a religious wholesale nor supply the actual religion with funds to run, but for parochial schools (when public schools fail in the area) and/or charities are fine.
• Freedom to religion is more important than freedom from religion
• your rights only last as long as they do not vilolate life, liberty, or right to pursue happiness of others. also time/plce/manner restrictions.
• friviolus lawsuits are BAAD! especially when the "victim" was being stupid or it was a true accident.
• medical tort reform is very important. have you tried to find an OBGYN that delivers babies anymore? just an example.
• equal rights for all, special rights for none (no affermitave action, no gay marrage, no recognition orprivilage of anyone for ethnicity exept when they are 1/4 or greater indian or first or second generation immigrant)
• 60 hours a week between spouses working must provide enough money to support a family of 4 at the level that the family will be able to provide at least all basic needs.
• freedom of speech and press and such, libraries should be unrestricted in what they can have in their collections, but should be set up in a way to allow parents to protect their kids if they choose to be nvolved
• broadcast TV and radio, as well as most things in public sight (billboards, etc.) should have decency restrictions, relaxed slightly late at night. otherswise, cable and satellite media is limited by the providers, as wih internet, as with cinema, as with games.

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[This message has been edited by avenger216 (edited March 02, 2004).]

Um, when did marriage become a "special right?"

Apart from that I agree with most of what you said, and I'd place you in the "independent" category. You're sorta in the middle.

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I can label you very well. You are conservative. You have requested that we not comment on others' opinions, and I think that is a good plan. Another good plan is to avoid this thread like the PLAGUE because the first plan will never work. I had a hard time resisting it myself.

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I agree that you're leaning more toward the conservative side, but you're not a full blow conservative, sort of like me

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Sounds pretty conservative to me:


But then, I suppose everything sounds conservative to a liberal (as my conservative friends have labelled me. But then again, everything looks liberal to a conservative...)

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[This message has been edited by BobTheMasher (edited March 02, 2004).]

What thrawn said.

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

I would like to see a flat tax in place and the abolishment of all of those stupid tax shelters. The rich and famous get to avoid paying taxes by using various loopholes and donations - and the latter one earns them free positive publicity too. Not exactly what I'd call an equitable balance.

It's too bad we can't tax a person based on how much the person deserves the amount of money. If we could telepathically judge how good a person is and how hard he works, we could just cut out the middle man and go right to communism.

Sounds like me too. A lot of conservative ideas, but not enough to make you a full-blown one. I'd say independent, which is what I consider myself to be as well.

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You're mislabelling people. People who have enough conservative viewpoints to be in the middle are called moderates. BTW, I agree with everything you said 100%, except maybe the death sentence thing.

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I think "rich" people should pay the same amount (percentage-wise) as everyone else in taxes. The more you raise their taxes, the less they have left over to SPEND IN YOUR COMMUNITY. Further, if you strip the rich of their riches, there is nothing left for people like me to strive for. Why would I open my own business and try to become financially independent if the government is just going to take over half of it anyway? Why would anyone work to raise their station in life if the government is just going to knock you back down?

How about this: lower taxes for everyone. Cut crappy government programs that pay for stuff like the prime-time "no smoking" ads that are shoved down everyone's throat from the time they are 0 - paid for by taxpayers money. How about get rid of corruption in government, take all that money used for campaigning and put it to some good use. How about NOT making the amount of money one has a barrier to entry in the political arena? How about the government doesn't place itself as a permanent crutch under low-income families, and rather position itself as a helper to get people back on their feet. How about making getting a job MORE desirable than spending time on welfare. If that means forcing them to do community service, fine. If all the people on welfare actually spent 40 hrs a week looking for a job, they'd have one by now. If not, at least we'd have clean, freshly painted, well-kept community property at a fraction of the cost of paying all those contractors. Of course, I'm not talking about handicapped, disabled, elderly, etc.

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Brian for president!

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

Avenger, you are rather solidly a true Conservative, despite a few somewhat Liberal opinions. Remember that many Americans claiming to be conservative are even further right-wing than they realize; they are Reactionary. Pat Buchanan is an example of a Reactionary, albeit a rather strong one.

As for your opinion on welfare, it is purely Conservative, not to be mistaken for Liberal at any point. The belief that most people on welfare are jobless, and not looking for a job, is a bit flawed. High unemployement rates are the result of there NOT BEING ANY jobs, or at least ones that are better than flipping burgers...

But anyway, from someone who can see ideologies in an absolute light, I'd say you're a good Conservative.

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As for my own opinions, asuming the nation in question is the USA:

• There should definitely be a progressive tax in place. After all, the rich are rich thanks to the wonderful democracy of the USA (No sarcasm). They would still be rich, but they would shoulder a larger percentage of the burden than lesser-well-off people do. I think a slow graduated scale would be in order, as well as making the first $10,000 of one's annual income tax exempt. That way, the poorer people would have decent breathing room, while it wouldn't make the rich poor themselves.
• War is sometimes unavoidable, but the power to cause it should be strictly regualted by the legislature (no free "90 days" for the president).
• Until about halfway through pregnancy, the fetus is simply part of the woman's body, and there'd be nothing wrong with aborting it then (unless it was used as a form of birth control)

I'lll finish it later.

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You are woefully misinformed. I live in WA state, which as you may know has been controlled by liberal democrats for many decades. Not only do we have the nations highest minimum wage, we also have one of the highest unemployment rates.

The point is, the "rich" who you guys are so angry at for some reason, these guys are the ones that pay your salary and give you a job so you can have all these nice computers, decent houses, etc. You can't penalize them just for their creativity or drive to earn more. You take away their drive, you also take away all your own benefits.

Graduated taxes are crap. You people are focusing on the wrong thing - you're focusing on the fact that these people have more than you. That shouldn't even be an issue to you, AT ALL. Who cares what someone else has? Already, the "low income" portion of this country is only responsible for something like 20% of the entire tax burdon. The top 5% of people pay something like 80% of all taxes. If that's not graduated enough for you, gimme a break!

People who earn below 60k a year and have kids and a spouse pay next to nothing in taxes. Your money is going towards interest on the house that's too expensive for you to afford, the car payments and insurance you pay on your brand new honda civic, and rising electricity costs.

You get over that 60k a year mark and all of a sudden you're in the top 20% of earners in the entire country. You are considered "rich" at 60k a year! Give me a break!

I think people need to stop focusing on what other people have and start focusing on where their meager donation to the tax fund is really going. The government should spend what it has wisely and cut taxes for EVERYONE, not just the rich or just the poor. A flat % tax is the most fair way to do it - you're not penalizing those who go out of their way to make more money.

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I think people that have like millions or billions of dollars can spare some of it. Bill Gates has enough money for 20 lifetimes. If we take a billion of his funds he won't even notice.

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What are you basing that on? I'm not nearly as conservative in my political views as avenger, but there is no doubt that I have a conservatie lean.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

SAJN_Master, we're not talking about bill gates. We're talking about "rich" people - defined in american tax laws as earning more than 60k a year. Sure, go ahead, take an extra $10k from them and see how rich they still are. Now, since they're in a higher tax bracket, they're actually making less money than people... making less money than them.

Anyway, the point isn't that someone "can spare" some extra cash - it has to do with our right to have money and our right to do with it what we please. You shouldn't look at what I have and decide that I don't deserve it and thus take it away from me and distribute it to others. That's communism.

You don't NEED that car. You don't NEED those new close. You don't NEED those $200 nike air shoes you just bought. You don't NEED anything more than a double wide mobile home. You don't NEED a college degree.

You can take it as far as you want, but it's not called the "Bill of Needs" it's called the "Bill of Rights" - and whether or not you feel you deserve Bill Gates' money more than he does is completely irrelevent. It's his RIGHT to earn that money and do whatever he pleases with it (assuming the way he "earned" it is lawful - but that's a discussion for another thread).

I hate this petty jealousy that goes around the political circles. If you don't have enough money, EARN MORE. If you didn't make choices in your life that allow you to do that, SUCK IT UP. It's not Bill Gates' fault that you decided to get some girl pregnant when you were 16 and thus had to drop out of high school and work at McDonalds. It's not his fault your parents dropped out of college to join the hippie revolution and smoke pot.

It's possibly his fault that the software company your dad worked at got put out of business, but in that case, you should be going after Bill Gates specifically, not all rich people.

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EvilMagic.net: Brian's Web Log

It makes me sick to know that people in this country are penalized because of their success. I'm busting my *** working/studying so that I can be successful, and seeing that the tax system in this country is discriminatory in nature, is discouraging.

It shouldn't be the governments job to play Robin Hood, but apparantly they disagree. If lower and middle class people would focus more on working and studying to better themselves, and less time on *****ing and moaning about the wealthly, they'd find themselves in a better position in this country. That would take a little common sense though, wouldn't it?

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[This message has been edited by MentatMM (edited March 04, 2004).]

ARRR.. I know. Isn't that annoying?

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I agree... minus the inflammatory tone.

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::Walks to extreme left side of the room::

There, now it's all balanced again.