Ok, well not really as such.. but this is quite an interesting article nonetheless, basically theyre hoping to delay nuclear talks long enough that they get a lax liberal president in office and can get away with more stuff

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040305/ts_nm/korea_north_kerry_dc_1



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Not suprising

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

jeez...

Or Jong-il just wants to talk to a President who doesn't insult him regularly.

All he needs is Gore's endorsement and he'll be finished.

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On the one hand Kim Jong is an *******, but on the other hand George Bush is an *******.

I'd like to see a respectable president myself, but I don't know anything about any of the people voting.

I would like a president that doesn't piss all over our rights.

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For once, I think that North Korea is right on the ball.

Now if they only had an open-border policy you could totally move there i bet..

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http://www.moveon.org

wonderful.

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Al Gore: If we don't go back there and make the event happen, the entire universe will be destroyed-- and as an environmentalist, i'm against that.

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so many veiled stabbings...

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

Regarding moveon.org

WTF, Sept 11 happened only a few months into his presidency. If anyone's to blame, it's Clinton.

Also quite amusing how moveon.org is so entirely stuck on the past.

And making things up, like the idea that it was Bush who fabricated the Iraqi WMD thing.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

Such utter BS. Politicians are politicians. Fall in love with one too much and you forget that government in general sucks arse. I'm guilty of it on many occasions, but some of you are very heavily right now.

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Yeah, civil debate is the rule of the day in North Korea.

... No...wait..it's Kim Jong-Il's whim..

...I find it really quite funny when people try to blame the Middle East situation on either Bush or Clinton. Instead of, you know, centuries of ongoing social, religious and economic issues.

Don't forget the Treaty of Versaille, Jon, that helped not so much as well.

Map of middle east + yardstick + straight lines == modern middle eastern arbitrary country borders.

[Outstanding post by the way oS, the ones from Kerry i find especially ironic]

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The real problems started with the illegal founding of the state of Israel, after the Balfour Declaration between the British and the World Zionist Organisation.. Historically, Britain is very much to blame for many of the troubles in the Middle East, and it surprises me that there isn't more aggression towards Britain from Al Queada, or Hamas or Al Aqsa.

because they are much nearer to brittan than the U.S.


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....because they don't care?

Try actually reading these forums for a change. So many people rag on America and capitalism, well, what do you think would happen if some of these brats had half as many brain cells and a few million times as much money? They don't care who they fight. It doesn't matter why things are the way they are, it doesn't matter if killing every single American in the world would make things better for them (as though living the life of a billionare oil prince is something to bemoan).

If Britain and America traded oil consumption rates they'd fly planes into Big Ben instead. It's all about finding a target. No greater plan, no devious scheme, just ignorant wrath.

Without American aid money, military support and the oil trade, the Middle Eastern nobility who back international terrorism would have been executed by their own followers long ago.

No, the trouble, inasmuch as British colonialism is concerned, started when the British and French signed the Sykes-Picot treaty and divided up what was going to be an Arab and Zionist homeland as colonies. The Arab leader, King Sharif, was allied with the Zionist movement and would likely have granted them a homeland in Palestine.

Get your facts straight before you go off bashing Israel, eh?