(Warning: Swearing)

If you are to lazy to read those convos. I made a logo, a site, and AIM icons for a band. They dont give me any credit. Now they are selling T-shirts with My logo on it. I saw 6+ people today with Oddmanout shirts on..with my logo. no "J.D.'03" at the bottom corner, nothing. No credit on the site anymore, they took it down a month after I mdae the site.So i get no credit, money (I don't really care about the money, but now that I know I am not getting credit even, I kind of want SOMETHING) They don't even ask to use the logo I made them they said "You said we could use them" I said "yes, with credit, give me credit" I get a F*** you etc... If you have the time, read the convo's more in detail...

anyway, WHAT SHOULD I DO?!?!

http://phearsfiles.slankeykrew.com/odd.txt
http://www.secksinlyricform.com/jon/odd1.txt

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

sue.


Where the @#$% did that come from? This dude's got a real problem...COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS!!!

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I am Darth Slaw.
The Dark Lord of the Sith,
And part of the Nightfire mod team

[This message has been edited by Darth Slaw (edited March 09, 2004).]

The thing is, this band is a highschool band. Some of the mebers go to my school. Many fans are in the school. I don't want to get harassed by everyone. They have a concert tommorow, they are selling the shirts there too. They are popular in the state, enough to sell out. So I don't want people rioting at me or something. I'm 15, how can I get a lawyer? And if I did, takeing it to court? I would be made fun of for ages! I don't want that. I'd get beat up and stuff. You see my problem?

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Yeah, that'll make a difference.
This _hole should really get shot or something. Do you know who he is by any chance? (ie. is he a neighbor or, sadly, a schoolmate?)

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I am Darth Slaw.
The Dark Lord of the Sith,
And part of the Nightfire mod team

[This message has been edited by Darth Slaw (edited March 09, 2004).]

School. I go to school with them. (2 of them) out of 4.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Hire some thugs to beat him up and take his money.

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Kids must be shot by Monday.

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Jay Leno's Headlines > Everything

They're being so-much-better-than-thou w***ers. If it was your design, you should have been credited for it, even if they did maul it up. I know I would have. But really, what's so bad about having a small signature on the bottom of a logo?

Do you have logs of previous conversations regarding the logos? If you had someone as a 'referee' and both parties were mature enough to settle something, then by all means try. If they're just going to be w***erish and dismissive like that, I suggest firebombs or Molotov cocktails.

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The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.
-- Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, The Father of Rocketry

You should have gotten something in writing, like a contract and had them sign it.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Ahh...after thinking about it, I guess it only makes sense that they'd go to your school.

I don't suppose he's interested in sharing profits huh? I would, but I'm not him.
Of course, I would've given credit to begin with anyway, and then we wouldn't have this bs prob.

The only other thing I can think of at the moment (besides legal action) would be to tell everyone that you made the logo. You might seem kinda silly doing it, but it's still true. But I still see the other loser coming along and saying you stole it from his site (or whatev). In any case, this is probably gonna get a bit messy.

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I am Darth Slaw.
The Dark Lord of the Sith,
And part of the Nightfire mod team

I think a major part of the problem here is that they don't understand any of what's going on here.

The first guy didn't understand what the hell you wanted, and why you wanted it in the first place. He also didn't understand the concept of copyrights in the first place.



This is just wrong. I'm pretty sure that anything you create has some form or another of copyright on it. And you never gave up your rights to the logo like he said. He has no idea what the hell he's saying.

My point is that making a logical and fair agreement with these guys is not going to be easy.

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"With Great power comes great Responibility. Seems like the converse should be true as well. Now where the heck is my great Power?"

On the bottom of the site it said "Thanks to Jon Del Sesto for makeing our logo's and site" then he deleted it.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

I would drop it and move on. You shouldn't be doing work for idiots like this. Did you by any chance make backups of all your work? If so, wait until they get big, and then get yourself a lawyer. They will have to pay you royalties I would think, if your case is proven. I know you're not after money, only recognition, but they seem to need a good lesson in common decency. The only thing that hurts idiots like this is their pocketbook.

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Ok, here's my awesome plan :P:

1) Make a new super-awesome website design/logo

2) Take a screenshot of the design

3) Embed a watermark in the screenshot

4) Send them the screenshot

5) See how well they cope trying to rip that one.

Did you actually have the logo & site copyrighted, or did you just say write "copyright" somewhere on it?

Just saying it's copyrighted doesn't make it legeal. In fact, you could get into serious trouble that way.

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No..you couldn't...Even if I just said "I made this, it's mine. I made it." or "Jon Del Sesto, he made this. His stuff" All the same. They can't use it. If I put (c)J.Del Sesto 2003, there is nothing wrong with that.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Dogs--that's perfectly fine. You ever been to elfwood? They have a statement saying "All of the work here belongs to the residents who make it" or something to that effect. If you state that you made it, and that it's copyrighted to you, it IS copywrited.


On second though, DA has something like that too, I believe.
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[This message has been edited by Dj Yoshi (edited March 09, 2004).]

That's what I was telling my friends. I used to have an accound on elfwood.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Basically: Any unique piece of art you make, be it a picture, a design, a poem or a book, it is instantly comprighted and protected during your entire life plus 70 years after your death, unless you give someone else the rights to your work OR you state it as public domain (like stock photography).

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-Robert Jastrow

Wow, they sound like dangerously illiterate morons.

Anyway if you have evidence that it's your work you can get them on it...if not I'd drop it. Sometimes it's just better to just cut your losses than go make things worse. At worst you've learned an important lesson and won't make the same mistakes dealing with people like that in the future.

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

If I wanted to get screwed I'd become a Male Prostitute. But I don't want that. I have evidence that it's mine. Like the original file, that dates back to last year. /right click properties. Also about 5 friends that saw it/have it on their PC.

But what to do with the evidence?

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

SAJN, I live like 30 mins from you, if you ever need backup I'm here

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Punktkerbe | www.hl2central.net

Maybe you should PWN them.

Smithfield? Newport? More like 40/50 mins

Damn, you do live close. Hehe, even living at the opposite side of RI it's still takes less then an hour. w00, we are so tiny! (It is Newport right?)

Anyway, more advice needed!

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

You could probably get a lawyer and settle it out of court. If they want to challenge then that's when it would go to court I think.

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"We came, we saw, we conquered, we...woke up!"

You guys are right. I was thinking of registering a copyright. My mistake.
That said, I think it would be a good idea to register the copyright on both the website and the logo - it's to your advantage, and that way they can't put an earlier copyright date on it and say it was theirs first... yours would be registered either way. (I think)

So I did a little research for you.
Section 106 gives the owner of the copyright exclusive rights. Furthermore:
Section 106A(1)(a) states "The author of a work of visual art shall have the right to claim authorship of the work.

There's probably more, but my eyes burn from reading through all the legal crap... plus I have to get to a jam session.

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"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." - Proverbs 27:17

Catalog of Electronic Components - Complete IC data sheets
National Electrical Code (NEC) Online - Don't do wiring without consulting it. OR ELSE!

[This message has been edited by DogSRoOL (edited March 09, 2004).]

SAJN is entirly right, It's his logo and his site design, No matter what the final site design looked like it was based in part or whole on his design, confront him in public some time and give him a law-textbook.

Like it was said anything you create yourself is your work, if you can prove it, take it to court, stick up for the little man, don't get screwed over.

I know a littlebit about copywrites now from squidi.net, a person to makes sprite comics using sprites he designed and draws freehand, not sprites he takes from games, he's shut down several sites and forums for taking his artwork and modifying or using it regually without his permission.

If you gave the logo to them with the stipulation that you have your name on on, on paper or via a verbal contract, it's legaly binding, unless you outright said to the person "here, I designed this logo and site, use it how you like" you've got a case me thinks, if you agreed they could use if as long as you were credited to the work, you can go far.

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Inter arma silent leges

I don't want to be a 15 year old takeing a group of 13-16 year olds to court. :/. Is there anyway that I can have them remove all my content from their site? As in all they have left is a blank page with there content?

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Well one thing is for sure, the cops won't be on your side...

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Hahaha, but the police will *shifty eyes* wait....

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

They already said they won't remove it, so your only choices are

a) talk to them and convice them to give you credit back
B) sue their butts and get your credit plus money
C) talk to their ISP or webhost, provide proof of a copyright infringment and have them shut down their internet service/webhosting


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Inter arma silent leges

[ugh]

[This message has been edited by Jaiph (edited March 10, 2004).]

It's a case of your word against theirs... and any judge will just through out the case, if you manage to get that far.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Well you sure as hell didn't make the fire. OMG THIEF!

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SAJN, sorry but that doesn't mean much, they could say that you just took the images off their site. But they also can't prove that you didn't make them, because you could obviously show that you could make what you made. Anyway, i put a little thing in their guestbook

(and yes, I live in Newport)

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Punktkerbe | www.hl2central.net

matrixhacker, that is just great.. They are going to think it is me now.. That's dandy. I said that they sound like every other punk band! Now I look like the immature one. bah.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

My suggestions:
Either:
1. Beat their ***
2. Sue their ***
3. Rat on their *** to their parents

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Yes, sure there parents care so much.
Beating them up will solve so much. And sueing them I already said no. I'm e-mailing the webmaster and haveing them closed down.
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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited March 09, 2004).]

For once I agree with Em. WTF?!

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For once I disagree with you.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!