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An email about Jesus...
2004-03-13, 6:30 AM #1
I got this email today. It came with an attachment, but since I have no clue as to who sent this, I didn't dare to open it.
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Email from PrEtTybOYpINOy89@aol.com
Topic: Jesus

In a message dated 3/9/2004 7:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, GiNiZdAtPnOy620 writes:
IF SOMEONE HAD A GUN HELD IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE AND ASKED YOU IF YOU
> BELIEVED IN GOD, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
> SAY NO AND FEEL ASHAMED THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? OR SAY YES, I DO, AND
> DIE STANDING UP FOR GOD?
>
>
> If you would say no, DELETE THIS E-MAIL , NOW. IF YOU WOULD SAY YES,
> AND STAND UP FOR JESUS CHRIST, PLEASE READ THIS AND PASS ON.
>
> Note: This is a true article that was printed in a southern newspaper
> less then a year ago
>
> TAKE A DEEP BREATH BEFORE READING THIS
>
> There was an atheist couple who had a child. The couple never told
> their daughter anything about the Lord. One night when the little girl
> was 5 years old, the parents fought with each other and the dad shot
> the Mom, right in front of the child. Then, the dad shot himself. The
> little girl watched it all. She then was sent to a foster home. The
> foster mother was a Christian and took the child to church. On the
> first day of Sunday School, the foster mother told the teacher that
> the girl had never hear d of Jesus, and to have patience with her. The
> teacher held up a picture of Jesus and said, "Does anyone know who
> this is?" The little girl said, "I do, that's the man who was holding

> me the night my parents died."
>
> If you believe this little girl is telling the truth that even though
> she had never heard of Jesus, he still held her the night her parents
> died, then you will forward this to as many people as you can.
>
> Or you can delete it as if it never touched your heart.
>
> Funny, isn't it?
>
> Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the
> world's going to hell.
>
> Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the
> Bible says.
>
> Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to
> believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says. (Or is it scary?)
>
> Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan
> (who, by the way, also "believes" in God).
>
> Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and they
> spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding
> the Lord, people think twice about sharing.
>
> Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through
> cyberspace, but the public discussion of Jesus is suppressed in the
> school and workplace.
>
> Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to
> many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe,
> or what they will think of you for sending it to them.
>
> Funny how we can go to church for Christ on Sunday, but be an
> invisible Christian the rest of the week. (Are you laughing?)
>
> Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me
> than what God thinks of me. (Are you thinking ?)
>
> Pass this on only if you mean it.
>
> Yes, I do Love God![/b]</font>

I'd like to say that I would say "yes", but out of panic, I might say "no" [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif].
But I'll never know for sure what I'd do unless the time ever comes.

Discuss.

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2004-03-13, 6:35 AM #2
... I swear I've seen that email address somewhere.

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2004-03-13, 6:37 AM #3
i dont believe that spamming people for Jesus constutes standing up for any christian cause. Infact i think it is more of a cowderdly, futile way to try and tell people about Jesus.

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2004-03-13, 6:48 AM #4
A friend of a friend of mine found a fried rat in his bucket of KFC.

That's about as easy to believe as this story.

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2004-03-13, 7:08 AM #5
It may have made you think, but it made thousands others disgusted, and they probably just hated jesus MORE. Feh.


[EDIT]Talking about ATHEISTS of course.
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2004-03-13, 7:27 AM #6
Nothing teaches people about religion more than two parents murdering themselves in front of their small child.

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2004-03-13, 9:20 AM #7
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
Nothing teaches people about religion more than two parents murdering themselves in front of their small child.

</font>




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2004-03-13, 10:40 AM #8
Let's see..a presumably atheist attacker kills you if you claim you believe in god, the atheist parents kill each other, and the word about jesus won't spread through e-mail.

Let me think about this for a second. How many atheists have you ever heard of that killed someone for believing in god? Probably not very many. How many christians killed people for not believing in god? More than you can count. This e-mail makes me sick.

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Warhead[97]
2004-03-13, 11:19 AM #9
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
How many atheists have you ever heard of that killed someone for believing in god?</font>
Columbine?
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">How many christians killed people for not believing in god? More than you can count.</font>
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It just doesn't fail, does it? Killing is NOT commended in the Christian faith. STOP JUDGING ALL CHRISTIANS BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF THE 1% OR SO THAT STAND OUT BECAUSE OF THEIR NEGATIVE ACTIONS.

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2004-03-13, 11:21 AM #10
^ exactly.

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2004-03-13, 11:28 AM #11
Wow, whoa, calm down there. Re-read what I wrote.

I said "not many". ONE incident counts as "not many" because I know that obviously there are going to be some no matter what faith or lack of faith you're talking about.

I am quite aware that killing is not commended in the christian faith! I am NOT judging all christians based ont he actions of 1% that stand out. I didn't judge ANYONE. I simply said that more people ahve been killed by proclaimed believers in the name of god than have believers been killed by non-believers. Okay? That's it. And it's probably true, and I doubt you could deny that. Nowhere did i judge anyone. I was pointing out that this e-mail is highly offensive towards atheists and not only that, it portrays a false idea that atheists are more violent than christians. Like you said, you can't judge the majority by what the minority may do, because if you did, the christians WOULD be judged as more violent. Damn, people.

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Warhead[97]
2004-03-13, 11:29 AM #12
There is a reason they were called the "Dark Ages" :P

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2004-03-13, 12:03 PM #13
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
I was pointing out that this e-mail is highly offensive towards atheists and not only that, it portrays a false idea that atheists are more violent than christians.</font>
In what way? It told a story of one athiest couple. You're trying too hard to find trouble with it, and in doing so, probably missed the point of the story.
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I am NOT judging all christians based ont he actions of 1% that stand out. I didn't judge ANYONE.</font>
Oh really? Then what was the purpose behind comparing Christians to athiests in regards to motives for killing someone on grounds of beliefs? I see no other purpose in your post than to judge, be it subconscious or not.

Anyway...Original article. (in PDF format)

The only part in the e-mail I have a problem with was this part:
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">> If you would say no, DELETE THIS E-MAIL , NOW. IF YOU WOULD SAY YES,
> AND STAND UP FOR JESUS CHRIST, PLEASE READ THIS AND PASS ON.</font>
Just because you don't want to forward an e-mail doesn't have anything to do with standing up for your belief in God. It's just a cheap gimmick to keep the item circulating (among Christians, mostly, which defeats the purpose of the e-mail, imo).

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2004-03-13, 1:50 PM #14
...It's lame and stupid. We get it!

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2004-03-13, 3:02 PM #15
"IF SOMEONE HAD A GUN HELD IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE AND ASKED YOU IF YOU
> BELIEVED IN GOD, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"

Notice that person never said anything about what answer they would shoot the person for giving, or if they would shoot at all.

Just pointing it out.

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2004-03-13, 4:32 PM #16
/me walks into thread.
/me looks around.
/me rolls eyes and walks out.

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2004-03-13, 4:59 PM #17
I love the irony, Dogs.

And 1%? I think not. Much, much higher. The Inquisition and the Crusaders may only have been a small number, Christian mobs more than make up for them.

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2004-03-13, 6:57 PM #18
... I'm not buying the story. I mean, honestly... A picture of Jesus? First of all, the person that painted that picture never saw Jesus in his life. A little strange that Jesus ended up looking exactly like he did in the picture. Second, Jesus has never appeared bodily before me... What would make this little girl that special? And lastly, when was the last time you were in Sunday School and the teacher held up a picture of Jesus and said, "Who's this?" Sunday School teachers are *generally* more concerned with making sure the kids know *what he did* not what some painter thinks he looked like.

On top of that, there's no credential sot back up the story... "printed in a southern newspaper less then a year ago" Right... That narrows things down if we want to find the actual article. If it really was printed, someone would have taken the time to tell us what newspaper printed it, and on what day... At best it was probably in something like the National Enquirer. At worst, it never existed.

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2004-03-13, 7:40 PM #19
*BIG ****ING COUGH*

http://www.coquet-shack.com/lyrics/Montgomery/Little_Girl_1327.htm

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2004-03-13, 8:08 PM #20
Interesting, I say.

Althought I tried to find Little_Girl_1337.htm first, but still.

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2004-03-14, 4:04 AM #21
*sigh* this is just making ah-.. ath-.. Non-beleivers look more violent than christians. It emph-... Makes the fact that they did drugs etc stand out along with the fact that they are non-beleivers. It's sickening and stupid at the same time. Christians are too strict and horribly ignorant. Funny how I used to think why not very many people like them >_>

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2004-03-14, 4:07 AM #22
That e-mail makes my blood boil.



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2004-03-14, 4:45 AM #23
That's because of high blood pressure.

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2004-03-14, 5:27 AM #24
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Glyde Bane:
Christians are too strict and horribly ignorant.</font>


Atheists are too morally loose and horribly arrogant.

Whee! It's fun to insult whole groups of people!

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the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2004-03-14, 5:46 AM #25
Wolfys are scary and have creepy pictures on Google!

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2004-03-14, 6:17 AM #26
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">STOP JUDGING ALL CHRISTIANS BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF THE 1% OR SO THAT STAND OUT BECAUSE OF THEIR NEGATIVE ACTIONS</font>

We do it with everyone. The world is judging the entire muslim faith based on the actions of a few wackos.
I have friends who judge an entire race from what they see on the news at night from Toronto.

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2004-03-14, 6:43 AM #27
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Glyde Bane:
*sigh* this is just making ah-.. ath-.. Non-beleivers look more violent than christians. It emph-... Makes the fact that they did drugs etc stand out along with the fact that they are non-beleivers. It's sickening and stupid at the same time. Christians are too strict and horribly ignorant. Funny how I used to think why not very many people like them >_>

</font>


Thats really not true...

People are people. They're individuals. Stop judging a whole race, religion, or whatever.

The majority of people suck! The end.

(maybe i'm one of them [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif])

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Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
2) You statement is lacking any clear structure or grammer. Please add these things.</font>


Sweet irony...
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2004-03-14, 7:15 AM #28
Its amazing how the entire point of the letter seems to have been lsot completely. the only reason that the fact that the parents were athiests was in there is so that it would set it up for the end where the child says she saw jesus that night without havning known about him before. that's the only reason. nothing else. the killing had absolutly nothing to them being athiests. not one little bit. Why am i the only one capable of seeing this?

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2004-03-14, 7:18 AM #29
I probably am being oversensitive about the atheism-jab, but i'd appreciate it, dogs, if you wouldn't presume to tell me what MY OWN intentions are, especially when you are obviously horribly incorrect.

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2004-03-14, 7:38 AM #30
Because, Noble Outlaw, it was made up to make some kind of point to further someones agenda. It had nothing to do with the killings. It only had to do with some kind of campaign.

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2004-03-14, 5:11 PM #31
Doesn't matter, life moves on.

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2004-03-14, 5:26 PM #32
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Evad:
The world is judging the entire muslim faith based on the actions of a few wackos.</font>


Oh, the irony.

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2004-03-14, 5:27 PM #33
I said this in morality class, and I'll say it again here:

I would say: "HELL NO" and I would get as far from the aim of that gun as possible.
2004-03-14, 6:30 PM #34
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
I probably am being oversensitive about the atheism-jab, but i'd appreciate it, dogs, if you wouldn't presume to tell me what MY OWN intentions are, especially when you are obviously horribly incorrect.</font>
Then why don't you just tell me the intentions behind your post. You could've quite easily made your point without bringing up past atrocities by Christians. My question is why bother bringing it up?
I'll gladly appologize if you give me reason to.
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by stat:
I love the irony, Dogs.</font>
What irony? Bob asked a question, and I gave an answer.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And 1%? I think not. Much, much higher. The Inquisition and the Crusaders may only have been a small number, Christian mobs more than make up for them.</font>
Maybe you should do the math some time. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-03-14, 7:03 PM #35
I already stated my intention.

Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Like you said, you can't judge the majority by what the minority may do, because if you did, the christians WOULD be judged as more violent</font>


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2004-03-14, 9:24 PM #36
That "story" is misleading, to say the least.

First off, children aren't exactly the best witnesses. Ask any cop. If you line up 10 people who look almost the same and ask a child to pick out a specific person they saw previously, their choice will be totally arbitrary (and often the first person they look at). Even adults do this.

Secondly, Jesus was born from [a] Jewish parent[s] and lived in the middle east. He was not a white dude with long hair and a long beard. That's the description of an European feudal-era king, and the image is used exclusively by people who descended from that part of the world.

I think it's a pretty fair guess that the story is a complete fabrication, but I'm willing to settle on a compromise and say that the little girl was probably thinking of some good samaritan who happened to look like Anglo-Saxon paintings of Jesus Christ (Come on, every nerdy group has at least one Jesus lookalike). Also, that anybody who insists that a recent painting of someone who has been dead for 2000 years (and was never described in detail) is totally accurate has no business teaching religion.

EDIT:
Thought I'd throw in a little evidence about Jesus' appearance. Theoretically it isn't beyond the power of God to make his son-via-a-Jewish-woman stark white, but:
1.) This strange appearance is never mentioned in any of the Gospels, and
2.) Judas Iscariot had to personally identify Jesus, because he was not physically dissimilar from the Apostles. Obviously a 7' tall white, kingly man would stand out a bit in a crowd of short people with dark complexions.

[This message has been edited by Jon`C (edited March 15, 2004).]
2004-03-14, 11:15 PM #37
given that no one has mentioned the attachment yet, I find it ironic that so many people are using this as an opportunity to verbally lynch christianity, while not considering the possibility that this whole thing was fabricated by some script kiddie looking for some dumb people to open the attachment and infect their computer...

Seriously folks, is it anything to just get a shot in at christianity? How mean...

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2004-03-15, 6:33 AM #38
Hehe. I read this thread as Email from Jesus.

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2004-03-15, 7:17 AM #39
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
That "story" is misleading, to say the least.

First off, children aren't exactly the best witnesses. Ask any cop. If you line up 10 people who look almost the same and ask a child to pick out a specific person they saw previously, their choice will be totally arbitrary (and often the first person they look at). Even adults do this.

</font>


Er if adults do this too then doesn't that really mean that everyone in general are bad witnesses, not just children.

But yea I agree with the rest of your points - the story is probably fabricated - or perhaps distorted - who knows?

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Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
2) You statement is lacking any clear structure or grammer. Please add these things.</font>


Sweet irony...
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2004-03-15, 7:43 AM #40
People who write chain emails and try to guilt people into spreading their garbage around the internet forever should be taken out into the street and shot.

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