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Athlon or Duron
2004-03-18, 5:37 AM #1
OK, I'm putting a PC together, to mess with linux, and have another machine for friends to use when there here for multiplayer games and such. Anyway here's what I've got:

Soyo Mobo
512MB PC133
GeForce2 MX400
40GB HDD
16x DVD
40-12-48 CD-RW
300w Power

I have 2 CPUs I could use in this system, an Athlon 850MHz or a Duron 950MHz.

Which would be faster for what I'm doing?



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2004-03-18, 5:42 AM #2
The Duron is to Athlon as the Celeron is to Pentium. Which reminds me, I have an old Duron 800 floating around somewhere...I should hunt it down and use it for something.

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2004-03-18, 5:52 AM #3
I'm thinking the Athlon would be better even though it's technically 100 mhz slower... If you're looking for a gaming processor, use the Athlon.

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2004-03-18, 6:05 AM #4
Alright I think I will, that's what's in the mobo now. It's FINALLY installing XP... First it crapped out because of the SB Live, then some of the ram was making it complain. But so far so good. Thanks for the advice.

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2004-03-18, 7:59 AM #5
Yea definately stick with the Athlons. Durons/Celerons suck, bad. Their onchip cache is a joke.

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2004-03-18, 8:04 AM #6
Is it normal for this thing to be running at 80˚C?

I've got an Antec CPU fan that's rated up to 1.3GHz and an Antec 80mm smart case fan. What else should I do?

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2004-03-18, 8:22 AM #7
Remount the heatsink?

I had high temperature problems with my Athlon Thoroughbred 2400+ XP, hitting 75 degrees C. All I did was remount the heatsink and it dropped by five or ten degrees. And to those who say 80 would kill a processor, I have a feeling that the Athlon 850 has a killtemp of 95 degrees.

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2004-03-18, 8:28 AM #8
Don't forget to put new silicon paste (or better) between the heatsink and the processor if you happen to take the heatsink off. Without the paste, you are more than likely to hit high temperatures.

Yeah, I think 80 degrees is far more than is healthy for any processor.

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2004-03-18, 8:30 AM #9
I've got another fan someone gave me, a copper CPU fan rated up to 2.8GHz, I might try that one. Also, installing the Via 4in1 drivers removed my ability to boot into windows without being greeted with a BSoD. Safe mode wouldn't even boot, but the last known config ended up working. I thought buliding this system would have been a little easier, oh how I do hate AMDs for there heat problems....

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2004-03-18, 8:42 AM #10
what is 80 celsius translated to degrees farenheiht? (I forgot the conversion formula.)



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2004-03-18, 8:44 AM #11
It was getting close to 200˚F

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2004-03-18, 9:17 AM #12
Hey, why are Durons getting all this bad press? Sure they are a budget, chip, but they are a DAMN GOOD budget chip.


I used to have an 800 duron. It outperformed my athlon thunderbird 750. My friend had a 1.2 duron that outperformed his friend's P3(clock speed was ~1ghz). Give the duron a chance, its an excellent chip.

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2004-03-18, 9:20 AM #13
It's not bad press... It's just "use the Ahtlon over the Duron if you're choosing between the two"

In this case, "budget" has nothing to do with it. He's got both chips already.

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2004-03-18, 9:23 AM #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Also, installing the Via 4in1 drivers removed my ability to boot into windows without being greeted with a BSoD. Safe mode wouldn't even boot, but the last known config ended up working.</font>
I had the same problem when I upgraded from a 1.3 duron to a 2400+ athlon xp. I will never buy via/amd again.

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2004-03-18, 9:26 AM #15
pfft. I use a 2000+ and have never had any problems with it. (before that I had an 1800+ which did have overheating issues, but that was mainly because my heatsink wasn't installed very well and came loose.)

My point is, Brian, you probably shouldn't base the performance of every AMD chip on one occurance you had.

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2004-03-18, 9:53 AM #16
I've ONLY had bad things happen with AMD/VIA systems. Now I've got a P4 2.4GHz and I have NEVER had a problem with it. I use the CPU fan from Intel and a cheap $3 80mm case fan and get CPU temps in the low 30s. Anyway I got my Athlon system running, dropped a new fan and some thermal paste in there, and it's running at around 55˚C. The AC vents here are in the ceiling, so when I had the case open and the air blowing in from above it was running in the low 30s too. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-03-18, 9:59 AM #17
VIA chipsets completely suck. There's no reason for it, they just do. /me huggles his nforce2 motherboard

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2004-03-18, 10:05 AM #18
Yeah that's the reason I got it, a friend of mine upgraded his system from a Duron 950 to a Athlon XP 2800+. Mostly because he was having problems with the VIA chipset and wanted Nforce2 so I got the old mobo, cpu, and ram. I had the 850MHz chip lying around from a dead mobo on my old system.

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2004-03-18, 11:01 AM #19
*sigh* You got the board because your friend was having problems with it. I don't think you have much right to complain here because you should have expected problems.

My current system which runs a KT266A motherboard (EpoX 8KHA+) is quite stable and the performance is quite a bit better than the K6-3 machine I had before.

Anyway, it's not the VIA chipsets which are bad, it all depends on the manufacturer. Read reviews first people, it will help you. Also, make sure all of the settings in your BIOS are correct.

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2004-03-18, 11:05 AM #20
There was no nforce2 when I bought my motherboard. Anyway, this time I got an intel brand motherboard, intel processor, no problems. No heat problems, no freezing, no crashing, no chipset issues, nothing. It wasn't ONE experience with AMD, it was 3 experiences with AMD. Generally I don't give second (or third) chances, but I have a tendency to root for the underdog. However, when the underdog screws me 3 times, that's about enough.

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2004-03-18, 11:29 AM #21
Brian, sounds like bad luck. My 1800+ TB runs at 2400+ on air, 36ºC on load. Sarn, you probably had overheating problems with the 1800+ because most are sold as Palominos, which are almost as bad as Athlons with heating issues. And yes, do give the Duron a chance, it will probably fare better on heating, Athlons overheat EASILY, I mean they're horrible with cooling. Not to mention VIA's suck. Just ew. Duron's probably where it's at though.

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2004-03-18, 11:57 AM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sHRiKE:
*sigh* You got the board because your friend was having problems with it. I don't think you have much right to complain here because you should have expected problems.
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There's nothing wrong with the board, I've actually got everything working perfectly now. He just had an ATI/VIA/SB Live compatibility hell thing going on.

Thanks again for your help everyone, this thing is running like a dream, got it holding steady at 45˚C.

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2004-03-18, 12:01 PM #23
Nice--Duron or Athlon??

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2004-03-18, 12:06 PM #24
Got the Athlon 850MHz in there, I'm actually using it to post now [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-03-18, 12:11 PM #25
Nice, now just build a system around the Duron and you have a dedicated JA server [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-03-18, 12:14 PM #26
Heh, all I need is another mobo, I've got a spare case, power, ram, hdd....

I'm only on 1500/256 DSL so I don't know what good it would do, I don't even know where my outcast cd is [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-03-18, 12:20 PM #27
Wonder how this thing will handle Halo PC... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-03-18, 12:34 PM #28
Not very, the min req is 1 GHz :P

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2004-03-18, 2:42 PM #29
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From the Halo readme:
Halo requires a personal computer with the following minimum requirements.

· Multimedia personal computer with a 733 MHz or higher processor.
· Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows Me, Windows 2000 Service Pack 1, or Windows XP.
· 128 Megabytes (MB) of RAM.
· 1.3 GB of available hard disk space.
· 8× CD-ROM drive.
· 32 MB 3D hardware-transform-and-lighting-capable video display.
· Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse or compatible pointing device.
· Sound card and speakers or headphones.
· DirectX 9.0b (included on CD; see below for installation instructions).
· 56 Kbps modem or LAN for online network play. Broadband required to run a server.

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It runs OK, can't expect too much out of a GeForce 2 MX... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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