...One Nation, Under Canada, Over Mexico, ...

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"Try not. Do or do not. There is no try."

I, for one, think this is genious.

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Do you have stairs in your house?

Yeah, that pretty much sums up my thoughts.

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"Why aren't I'm using at these pictures?" - Cloud, 4/14/02

If I sang the national anthem every day in class I would have a problem with it. As it is I would have to look up the lyrics because I cant think of any refrences to god in the national anthem off the top of my head. I would also have a problem with "In God we trust" being on all of my money if there was a way around using paper money.

Edit: And now that I have looked it up there is only a single passing referendce to god... hardly forcing anyone who sings the natinal anthem to afferm that they believe in (a) god in the way that the PLedge of Aliegence does.



[This message has been edited by Chris (edited March 25, 2004).]

Now that I think about it, I think there is a reference to God above the entrance to the Supreme Court building.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

Seconded.

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"I pledge loyalty, to the banner,
of the United States of America.
And to the democracy, which not understands,
one huge chunka land, under Bob, undividable,
with freedom and justice for those who can afford them"

THERE; ALL FIXED. CAN I GO HOME NOW?

Yeah, I heard that one in school today while drawing doodles of leprauchan commandos and snipers . Best part is, it's 100% true.

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The Dark Lord of the Sith,
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[This message has been edited by Darth Slaw (edited March 25, 2004).]

I pledge alligence to the United Distribution of Linux, and to the Open Source for which it stands. One filesystem, under Torvalds, uncrackable, with freedom to code for all!

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

Except there are 500 distributions, the Linux kernel is about 1 custom patch away from speciation, and there are a dozen different file systems. And part of the reason it's currently uncrackable is because so few people use it who don't administrate datacenters.

It was a joke, Jon. Accept it as such. Stop trying to ****ing analyze everything.

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The future is here, and all bets are off.

My reply was a joke too.


...Or was it?

Yes, it was.

......OR WAS IT?

Linux is brought into this. Never expected that. o.o

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and her mighty state of hysteria."

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Actually, it says "and you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might", in Deut. 6:5. *underlines "love" a billion times*
I can't speak for all Christians, but my particular motivation is not as just saving my butt from the firey bowels of hell. I want to be with God. It's as simple as that. That makes me think of an interesting question: Why do people feel that the government isn't allowed to have religious rights, too?

In reference to "in God we trust" on money: The government owns and produces the money, and can therefore print anything on it they darn well please.

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"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."
- Proverbs 27:17

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The government isn't a person. It's rights are only those which the people who assent to it, cede to it.

Freedom of the government to establish a national religion was expressly forbidden by the people who ceded some of their rights to it. It has been ruled that the Constitution also implies that the Government should show no preference to any religion, or to religion itself.

Unless a constitutional amendment is drafted ceding everyone's right to live under a government that has no preference to a religion that might not be theirs, or that favors an exclusive belief system that not everyone holds, then that is how it shall remain.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

If you want that, take the bad with the good. If you are truly looking for separation of church and state, then gay people should not allowed to be married, the word marriage should be removed from the constitution, and all references to marriage should be replaced by "civil union", of which homosexuals WOULD be privy to, and all benefits therein in which it entails. Thus marriage goes back to being what it always was intended to be and what it originally was - a religious ceremony.

Until you are fully ready to take it to that level, don't talk to me about separation of church and state, because most people who claim to want it, only want it separated when it is more convenient for them...

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Fear is here, where's the beer?

One nation under e-God.

If you're reading this, Burrie, this one's for you.

Again, I have to say that "Speration of Church and State" does not exist in the Constitution, at all. Furthermore, if the government should be void of all religion at all, as some here claim, I suppose our elected officials should stop practicing religion while they are in office just to make sure no one gets upset.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

You might not realize it, but the biggest problem with a pure, basic democracy is that eventually it becomes a dictatorship of the majority. The US government is designed with a constitution and a system of checks and balances to prevent this from happening.

The fact that the majority is inflicting its religious symbolism upon the minority is a minor instance of this. Let's pretend for a second that declaring a state religion is perfectly legal and not unconstitutional. That just means the majority is willing to resort to any sort of legal loophole they can find to coerce people to give up their heresy.

I understand that. I'm saying that they (as individuals) have the right to express their religious preference, so long as the entire body does not financially support, or legally establish, a religious organization.

The difference with that is that the decision would be made by a group of people rather than an individual.

Personally, I think the government should butt out of religion - completely. That may seem to contradict with what I wrote above. I guess I'm somewhat undecided. But the idea of religious freedom is just that - freedom. But instead, the government tries to supress religion, thinking that it's freedom if no religion is ever heard of by someone of another belief.

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"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."
- Proverbs 27:17

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[This message has been edited by DogSRoOL (edited March 26, 2004).]

Boy, there's a million things to say right now, from both sides. Here's a couple.

Atheists: "It's stupid to force you to say it!"

Christians: "It's how our country was founded!"

Me: Looking forward to my eternal home in heaven when Jesus comes again, which will be soon by the sound of things like this.

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'And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.'

Revalation 5:13
Old King James

I'm not sure what your intent was with this, but that sounds like a damn good idea.

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