A certain teacher in one of my classes has been PSYCHO. He used to be sorta fun, but now he makes us all sit there and write ALL class period. If we raise our hand and ask a question he gets REALLY ticked off. If we so much as FLINCH he takes us out into the hall, has a little "talk" with us and says if we have to go back into the hall again we'll be seeing the principal.

Out of intense hatred, I have written this (which I MIGHT secretly thow into circulation tomorrow)
Behlod:

The Student Manifesto

When through the course of a school year, the teachers of a school abuse their divine, God given right to teach, it is the duty and right of the students to rise up and make a difference.
Teachers have certain responsabilities that they should uphold. It is true that at times they are permitted to have bad days, but a clear and obvious abuse of power should be taken care of before greater damage is done.

Morale, a dangerous and powerful thing, can plumet very quickly when a teacher rules a class with an iron fist.
A teacher should instead keep a level head as often as possible.
A teacher should be able to look onto a situation and have an understanding perspective. They should be able to see down the road at the students future, as well as the current position a student is in.
A teacher's key purpose and entire reason for existence is to teach.
A teacher that lacks the proper attitude is a very dangerous thing for the students education and for the well being of the entire school. Poor morale in one class has the possibility to spreading to other classes, which may result in a general hatred towards the school itself. This is perhaps the most dangerous situation that could occur to any school.

When nothing is moving towards change, it is the duty of the students to take action and purify the school of wrongful teachers. It is perhaps best to avoid violent or overly rebelious actions, but it is best that students should not work alone. If many agree on something, then the power is in the hands of the numbers. It is the students that hold the power in the school, the teachers are there because of the student. The teachers are there to work FOR the students. It is the teachers that lead us and direct us, but when they fail to do this something must be done.
So now I make this a call to you.
Students of the school, unite!

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What do you think? Too extreme? Am I crazy? Lol, it's sorta meant as a joke, but sorta not. The funny thing is that I'm president of student council and am on the verge of leading a rebellion to change our school... (Treason from the president. How nice.)

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Jesus...

Your gonna be in for a surprise when you get a job. Life aint fair. Your teacher is a dick. Deal with it.

Hmm.. Well. If you're going to do it, do it secretly. Let NOBODY know it's you, because it could be constrewed as something bad.. and get you in big trouble.

I reccomend taking a page from Fight Club's book, and leaving it in the copier after you make a bunch of copies of it, and then walk down the halls and occasionally let one fall onto the ground.

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This is a really bad, stupid idea - it just makes you look immature and whiney. Why don't you just talk to the teacher?

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If this teacher's negative attitude is causing him to mark unfairly IYO, then yeah, some kind of action should be taken. High School academics are important; they can't be jeopardized. However, if it's just the attitude, "rebellion" might be going a bit too far. Sure, it's a bummer to endure a class like that, but if you can still get the grades, I'd say just bite your tongue and let it ride.

I'm just messing around with this. I WILL talk to the teacher tomorrow about his evil-ness, and I'm pretty sure my manifesto isn't going to go into circulation. I just felt like writing something...

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"The Oracle told me I would die with my boots on. I've worn tennis shoes ever since." - Axis

There are always ways to get around people. But you need a few grains of humility and tact to get the job done. If Axis thinks he can pull it off, more power to him. It's almost like saying "This Dictator sucks, but there are those secret police, and life sucks, so deal with it", To of course, a much lesser exent.

I think Axis is right in protest. "Dealing with it" in the end helps no one.

Yeah, I'll get off my soap box now.

Heh, well, I thought the manifesto was funny..

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[This message has been edited by Lord Kuat (edited March 26, 2004).]

No it's not like that at all. Not even a little.

That is an interesting manifesto. Nothing is going to come of it if you circulate it though. Teenagers are fickle.

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If you ever want to be hated by your peers, make them look bad. That's what America did.

News flash: You're going to get the crummy teachers, period. This will extend even into higher education. The bonus with that is you can drop the class. High school you are not so fortunate and must endure the pain. But we all had to deal with it at one point or another.

Moral of the story: Quit whining.

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Uh...Nein. This really sucks, especially if the teacher is marking poorly on attitude--it can prevent graduation, and even screw you over later in life. This isn't a "Stop whining" thing. This is a "Do something about it" thing. Maybe the manifesto may or may not do anything, but I say try it out, maybe you'll get something done with it. Just do it secretly. And Raoul--stfukthxplzbai. High school isn't life--if it was, we'd all be screwed at 14. He has every right to do this, and he shouldn't be persecuted for wanting to. And yes, yes it is like that at all. Maybe you just need a bit more happy in your life, and need to get off the "Life sucks and then you die" kick. Go for it Axis.

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Giving that letter to kids will do nothin... If someone gave me that garbage I'd promptly go to the toilet and wipe my *** with it.

Just talk to your teacher or just chill out for the rest of the school year... maybe your teach is goin thru some problems... who knows?

If it really bothers you, just talk to the dude... either that, or talk to your princiPAL.

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Heavens to Betsy! He makes you do work?!?!?



*sigh*

The Teachers Manifesto
When through the course of a school year, the students abuse the gift of receiving an education; it is the duty and right of the teachers to implement measures to ensure students complete their assigned tasks, as most students cannot see the benefits of said work at this point in time.

Students have certain responsibilities that they should uphold. If students are not fulfilling these responsibilities, and therefore damaging their future prospects, action must be taken to prevent further damage.

Morale, an important tool, can plummet when certain students are unruly and distract other class members.
Students should remain well behaved at all times.

A student should be able to look at a teacher and understand the substantial amount of unpaid after hours work that goes into preparing a lesson. They should also be able to see that the teacher has other roles in life and does not exist solely for the purpose of teaching.

A students only duty is to apply themselves to their studies, respect the efforts of their classmates and teacher and complete all set work with the appropriate amount of effort.
A student that lacks the proper attitude is a very dangerous thing for the education of the rest of the class and for the rest of the school. Poor attitude in one class has the potential to set a precedent for other classes and this can result in the general disdain of the teachers for the student population. This is perhaps the most dangerous situation that could occur to any school.

When students are not fulfilling their responsibilities, it is the duty of the teacher to take action to correct this. It is best to avoid singling out students for differential treatment as this will create resentment among the students and create the potential for individuals to raise complaints about teachers holding a vendetta against certain students.

Students and teachers work with each other to ensure adequate levels of education are received. The teachers’ role is to guide the students learning. The students’ role is to apply themselves to their work and conduct themselves appropriately. When they fail to do this, something must be done to prevent their self-destructive ways.

"Heavens to Betsy! He makes you do work?!?!?"

Run, who said that work has any value? You know, I'm sure you had a teacher whose assignments sucked and just were there to cover the teacher's own ineptness at creating any work that had value. Comon man, don't tell me you never had a teacher that wasn't lame. Your statement ignores this. Every job has it's share of people who just aren't cut out for it.

And Raoul, yes it is like a dictator. You have an Authority figure that you supposedly have no power over and have to "deal" with. It's the same thing. Tell me then, how it is different.

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If one feels that their teacher is poor, they should withdrawl themselves from the class and seek other solutions.

And I think this is whinning. Here's a fact of life: It's not fair. The world is full of jerks, and you have to deal with that fact. When you get out of school, there won't be anyone to complain to and nobody is going to care if you are over worked and miserable at work. Guess how your teacher must feel?

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Life is not fair this, life is not fair that, bullox to that. That banter is that of people who give up. Fine, you give up, but the others who don't succeed. I like how the going philosophy is either a.) sit there and take it, cuz you know, life sucks, or b.) leave, because it just isn't worth fighting. Gee, sounds like real winning strategy. Axis made it clear he won't go and send out the "manefesto", but he will take some course of action. As long has he takes an assertive path, he should be in the clear.

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[This message has been edited by Lord Kuat (edited March 27, 2004).]

Why, I do beleive Run is a teacher. And as such may have deeper insight into to the life of a teacher? (Eat me alive, grammar nazis.)

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I've had my share of jackass teachers I I never had a problem with them what so ever. I dealt with it and it was done. One day, you will have a jackass for a boss and it will suck and whining about it will get you nothing.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Fixed. I don't care is he is the flying god of teacher monkeys. So, you mean, there is no such thing as a bad teacher? That someone, good heavens, isn't good at their job. Well, I NEVER!

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Of course there are bad teachersm just like there are people who are bad at every job. Dealing with them is give you valueable experience

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Obviously there are going to be bad teachers, Kuat - that isn't the point. The point is that a student with a problem should deal with it in a mature manner, instead of getting all high and mighty (seriously, there's nothing more annoying than a bright kid that thinks he's better than the teacher).

I mean, they're not evil idiots who go home to their lairs every night and cackle about giving you screwed-up assignments.

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-The Last True Evil

I rarely fly these days, it attracts too much attention, though my tail comes in quite handy.

I never said that the teacher wasn't bad, I can't make that conclusion from the info Axis has given us. The point I was trying to make is that just because the teacher has come down hard on the class, doesn't mean he is a bad teacher. He is most likely trying to counter some disciplinary or academic issues in the class.

You're right in the fact that teachers aren't perfect, but neither are the students. Which is something they conveniently like to forget as it ruins their righteous anger riff.

If the teacher changed from easy going to hard arse, this tells me that the class has been abusing their privliges and the teacher is trying to restore some order to the class. If the teacher has become dodgy, then I'm all for a mature discussion to resolve the issue, but frankly all I see is a student having a whinge because the teacher has decided to cut back on class liberties.

Doh! Excellent points tracer and run. I guess alot of others were trying to say that, and I missed it. Ah well, thanks for the great responses.

So, yeah, carry on, I'm done here. I'll just be writing my Flying Teacher Monkey Manefesto. Those guys are jerks, who else wants to join me!

However...



Yes they are I tell you! And they eat your soul! Your screams of torment are music to their ears!

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[This message has been edited by Lord Kuat (edited March 27, 2004).]

Actually, Run, I've encountered quite a few teachers who come down hard on classes who do absolutely nothing wrong. They got fired from student complaints within a year, and it takes ~100 of those. It's not impossible, and not even all that improbable. Most teachers are bitter, cynical people, that I've met, and those are the sucky ones. The few DECENT not to mention good ones are nice, and enjoy what they do. And it's not that work can't teach something, it's that work sucks, and a lot of the time just reinforces--it's extremely hard to learn something from doing work. I know, I'm trying to teach myself Algebra 2, because my teacher is nearly incompetent at teaching it--she teaches it how she learned it, and she's about 60 years old. Not to be mean, but learning it the college course way is just about like teaching yourself.

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That's a gross generalisation and you know it. I can just as easily say that most students are lazy and are always looking for ways to scam extra marks (which probably leads to teachers being bitter and cynical). But I know that that is not true. Those students are just the most visible as they complain the most which is also probably why you remember your dodgy teachers more.

I really like teaching, and it is something I am good at. All of my evaluations from students have been positive because I make myself as accessible as possible and dont have a problem spending 2 hours with a student to make sure they understand a topic. But even my patience wears thin when people continously whinge about one thing or another or don't put in any effort.



I'm not 100% sure what you are saying here, but of course work is hard. Thats why it means something if you pass. The teacher isn't there to spoon feed the class, the onus is on the students to do the work. The problem is that it is difficult to convince younger students that a certain topic will be beneficial later in life. Some of the topics you cover might be irrelevant to you, but that is unavoidable as all students need a minimum level of education so that it gives them enough options to alter uni/career choices later on.

Not really a gross generalization or that I remember the sucky ones more, it's that there were more sucky ones in my lifetime. The only people other than I who got straight A's while I grew up studied waaaaaaaay too much. I got Straight A's because...well...I just did. Never figured out how. For some reason, most teachers hate the fact that I do almost nothing, and get good grades.

About the statement about work, it reinforces what you've already LEARNED, doesn't teach you. It's up to the teacher to offer the material to be learned, not drive it in nor make the student find it on their own, the teacher is there to...teach. Of course, this is all thrown out the window in college...but that's a private institution. If a teacher just gives you work all the time, chances are you'll learn less than you will from interesting teaching sessions. My $.02

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I must be lucky, the people around here sound like they have all had Hitler for a teacher. In my case, there has only ever been one teacher that was a jerk all the time, all the others are good. But to get away on negativity, I'll share some good teachers I have had.

All the teachers I have are way too over worked. They come in, teach us for 6 hours and then go home to mark the work they assigned us and make up new lessons for the next day. They also have families and lives of their own. But most of my teachers are around after hours if you ever need any help. My math teacher will spend hours with you to explain a subject if you aren't getting it, all you have to do is ask.

I have one teacher who spends four ours with us every week afterschool playing D&D with us. He's also the sponser of the Warhammer club and spends hours with that club every week. He's also in the shop everyday if you need to finish a project afterschool.

Most of the teachers I know are awesome.

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I agree with Run there. The best teachers are the ones who will spend the time with you. They're also the ones who like to teach. I swear we have the best physics professors at my uni. I can walk in practically ANYTIME and ask a question about the material in question. And they are more than happy to give help. Sadly, Dr. Karas is retiring after this semester. I hope we get a replacement just as good.

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Aaah, now I see what you are getting at. I don't completly agree as I think you can learn from "work", but it obviously depends on what you're given and the material you have available. In the handouts I draw up for my classes I try to include enough material so that the student has all the info they need, but not all the answers.

My mom's a teacher, she got bullied by the kids at her last job, she quit, the school begged her to stay, she still quit.

I agree with most that teachers get harrassed wayyy too much. My chem teacher is the coolest teacher in the world, and perhaps one of the best I've had yet. My history teacher somehow gets us all to learn what we need to know by not doing anything on his part...which kinda creeps me out. o_O

The best teacher I've ever had though, is perhaps my 6th grade history teacher. Back then we covered the Roman and Greek wars, along with the Civil War and WW1 and 2. Those were the main focuses of his curriculum, at least. He, having gone through the Vietnam War, had spectacular insight into the lives of the soldiers and plenty of other things too. He was a wonderful teacher and I thoroughly enjoyed his class every moment of the time I was in there. I also learned a lot of what I know today about WW1, 2, the Civil War, and the Roman and Grecian wars. Fun.

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