I wrote this theory up... now remember its just a theory based on my exsperience this in no way is putting anyone down or is ment to make anyone feel uncomfortable. I repect everyones opinions and if we can disscuss this maturly this might be an interesting conversation. But it this turns into some bloody flame war or heated debate without any repect for anyone elses opinions or views I am just gonna delete it and save the admins the trouble of locking it okay... so here goes... I wrote this earlier...

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I heared something tonight... that made my heart race. "Every human has a spirit a lifeforce inside of them, when we die our lifeforce returns to a greater lifeforce, the earth or gaia lifeforce, and returns your life exsperiences to it so it can grow."



Now to alot of you this sounds stupid and I know its far fetched... but how do we know? I mean something about that made my heart race and then stand still for a second... I want to belive that... there is just something about it... cause I know this is crazy but I swear I have felt it.



I mean what is that warmth from inside a person? What is that makes us live? What gives us the power I mean our bodies create biological electricity that power or nerve systems... but honestly were the hell is it getting the power from? Could it be a lifeforce?



I swear I could feel hers... when we kissed just before when I was close enough to feel her last breath before it... it feels so warm... so close... like there is something living inside her... and when you kiss it feels like something amazing is happening... like something is touching inside... could it be your lifeforces meeting... I dunno maybe I'm overanalizing but isn't it romantic in a way... just the thought of it? The thought that when your outer shells meet you can somehow share your energy and thats what lights your heart on fire?



I want to belive this... I dunno why... maybe it makes me feel better cause I know no matter what I do something will benifit from my life because my exsperience will return to a greater being to help it... I know this is crazy... but there is something about the warmth of contact... something about my own self... her aside... why can I feel happy and then sad again... science says its just biological reactions inside your mind but how? Also another thing... science has yet to be able to find were we keep our memory in our brains... what if... we don't keep them in our brains... what if our soul keeps them... what if?



This feels so nice... I want to belive this... why I don't know for sure... but in my heart I feel like... its right... I dunno why... maybe... its true.... maybe... what do you think?


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Don't be unwise judge me not by my size. You wont believe your eyes watch the xwing rise!

While I have never experienced the physical feelings you have described. The more "deeper" theory which you proposed isn't all that different from what I've been thinking when I've stayed away and stared at the ceiling.

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I think you've been watching too much Final Fantasy.

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"When all else fails, eat pie."
-¬thoughts from beyond observance

Food.

But it is a very romantic and nice thought.

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WOOSH|-----@%

Your heart is racing and you're feeling really good from physical contact with a member of the opposite sex. That sounds less like evidence for a grand cosmic theory and more like a normal physical response.

Just because a theory/belief sounds nice, makes you feel good, or sparks some other emotion that motivates you doesn't mean it's true.

Watch... oh the movie... no haven't seen that in like 2 years.

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Don't be unwise judge me not by my size. You wont believe your eyes watch the xwing rise!

Yeah your right its probably not true... I was just thinkin. But I mean there is alot of things that need to be exsplained... for example were do we keep our memories?

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Don't be unwise judge me not by my size. You wont believe your eyes watch the xwing rise!

[This message has been edited by MechWarrior (edited March 27, 2004).]

Neural connections. I'm not a brain-specialist-doctor-man so I can't tell you much more than that.

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WOOSH|-----@%

Yeah, Occam's Razor and all that. Don't go looking for a metaphysical answer (especially one that hasn't been time-tested) if there's already a perfectly reasonable mundane answer.

It's not as neat to say that we keep our memories in our brains as it is to theorize that we're part of some metaphysical collective, but it's still miraculous in its own way.

It depends on what sort of memory you are talking about, eg emotional memory, physical memory (for movements). In a nutshell though memories are stored throughout the cortex in whatever cortex is receptive to that modality. Long term memory is usually associated with the hippocampus. The neurotransmitters glutamate and acetylcholine are also important to memory, but I'm too lazy to type out all this neural stuff. If you want more info go to Scirus and do some searching

Oh and our "power" comes mainly from the breakdown of fats through beta oxidation -->citric acid cycle-->oxidative phosphorylation, and carbs via glycolysis--> citric acid cycle--> oxidative phosphorylation) which produces ATP (adenosine triphosphate). The ATP is split to ADP + P in chemical reactions and this releases about 31kj/mol of energy which is the power for pretty much everything in your body. That and friction between tissues is what makes heat

I am such the romantic

Your overuse of ellipses is disturbing.

I'm currently at the "Hey wait a minute... I'm made up entirely of protons, neutrons and electrons! What the hell!" stage.

Bah.. run beat me to it.

There's an explanation for all of these things. I'm sure it would be really nice if your theory were true, but all of these facts are already explained and proven. At the very least, you'd make a good poet.

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

It's an interesting idea, can't say much for it's credibility, but it's interesting.

I know logically that I and all the people I know are just made from basic particles, yet I still have real difficulty comprehending that all those particles can create a sentient being with feelings and emotions.

i bet you could make money off of it en-e-way

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Or playing perhaps?

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." -Isaac Asimov

Guys relax this has nothing to do with FF. Well when you looks at it thru science you can exsplain everything. Maybe we are just accidents anyways but that aside I guess sometimes letting your imagination go is just fun. Meh...

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Don't be unwise judge me not by my size. You wont believe your eyes watch the xwing rise!

Welcome to what the Greeks thought about three-thousand years ago.

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Superstition brings bad luck.
-Raymond Smullyan, 5000B.C.

The only reason I am not completely 100% full bore atheist is because I still don't think that various chemicals and electrical charges can give me such complex thought and even consciousness and intelligence. To me, the brain is like a computer. It can do a lot of things, but without something to operate it, it is just a pile of circuitry and plastic. That's where a soul comes in for me.

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Beware of music. It brings out the animosity in everyone.

Science doesnt explain everything. Most importantly, Science doesn't explain Science.

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Actually, logic and reason explain themselves quite nicely.

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WOOSH|-----@%

Now we need a timeline picture to cap it off...

Exit science-land, enter wishy-washy land

But what if thought is merely the application of language memory to specific eletronic impulses? I think in english, Japanese people think in Japanese. Thought then arises from memory of language and without language we think in terms of emotion and instinct.

Exit wishy-washy land, re-enter science land



Actually, the brain is quite adept at running itself and the rest of the body. There's a field of brain research that uses non-linear dynamics to study the self-organisation capacity of the brain.

Plus there are plenty of studies done in rats that show you can control things like fear/rewards etc through the application of an electronic stimulus to parts of the cortex or via administering drugs.



Bite me Archarjay

I'm kind of with DeT and Kieran on this one...pretty cool thought though, it's really not that crazy, don't let these completley unromantic anti-abstract thought people get you down

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Men and their wars!... I think that men raise flags when they can't get anything else up!
~from Pippin

Well, you could look at it either scientifically or religiously. I prefer both.
Food breaks down into energy.
Energy can be converted into other types of energy (such as electricity).
Certain chemical combinations can produce electricity (such is the case with batteries). I have a simillar thought: What if our spirit keeps a backup copy of what's stored in our memory? Perhaps a write-only memory, until we die. Kind of like Ecclesiastes 12:7? (and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.) That's why Christians believe sex is sacred and should be only performed in marriage. It's not that we just think "hey, it's wrong", but more along the lines of "it's too deep to be given away liberally."
Mark 10:7-8 - "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh."

I don't know if that interests you or not, but... there it is.

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[This message has been edited by DogSRoOL (edited March 28, 2004).]

Hey, I didn't understand half of what was just said, but the fact that I can see and hear things in my head, that makes everything really cool.

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"The least they could do is kill my food before I eat it." - Cale

Although my name represents one of my favorite songs, in a way it also explains my actual person, a Cosmic Castaway!

*Gives a giant Thumbs Up*

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"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."
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That's called conditioning. If you do something and get a piece of cheese, you're likely to do it more if you get cheese each time. If you do something and you get a cattle prod shoved up your *** each time, you're less likely to do it again.

*puts his joint down* Dude....your bummin my high....

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Beware of music. It brings out the animosity in everyone.

I wasn't referring to conditioning. I was referring to studies where they use a probe to destroy parts of the rats brains and see what happens. Although now that I re-read my previous post I realise that I didn't actually say that and offer you my apologies good sir.