Yea, just got and played through Twin Snakes for the GameCube. Yea, uh... damn. I uh... damn. Damn. I can't believe I've been left in the dark about this masterpiece since '97. I personally never played the original, but trying to put words on the greatness of this is impossible. Just calling it another video game is completely underminding it. And I thought Sam Fisher was a bad *** . Anyway, after watching through the credits, and hearing the conversation between Ocelot & the "mystery" person, I am definitely playing the freakin' sequel. I'm also a bit uneducated about that however too, I remember Sons Of Liberty came out for PS2, and something called Substance was released for XBOX, but I was wondering if there was either of those out for the PC, or any future plans for releasing them on the GameCube. I'm honestly hoping there's something out for the PC, as I know the orignal PSX version was ported to the PC. But man, I might even just go out an buy a used PS2 just to get my hands of a copy of MGS2. I'd appreciate any feedback, and feel free to post your comments on MGS:TTS and the MGS series in general.

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I only got to play the MGS Demo that was like on EVERY PSone demo disc. I played that demo about 100 times, beating it each time cause I loved it soo much. I will rent this game.

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What's your thoughts on the GC version Uber?

I've heard that some of the changes Silicon Knights did (I loved Eternal Darkness btw) made the game actually easier then the original.

I wouldn't know though, cause I've never played any of the MGS games, so I'm kind of how you were...out of the loop on this. I might get it though once the price goes down, because from all the reviews it seems like this is an incredible game

MGS: Sons of Liberty and Substance were released on PS2 as well as PC, and I think Xbox only got Substance, which doesn't really matter since Substance was the same game with added features. None of the stores around here seem to sell Substance or SOL anymore though, so I borrowed it off a friend and it was hugely enjoyable. Playing as Raiden didn't bother me as much as I thought it would after I'd heard people's opinions of him. Sure, he complained about his orders from time to time, but so does Snake in the original, so...

TTS though...damn. I'd played the original, and replayed it, and replayed it some more, and even got through TTS on normal in a days worth of play, but I'll be going back over and over to collect dog tags, mess with guards using the Stealth Camo (yeah, I got the bad ending just for this little baby ). Oh, some parts are easier than the original with the new game mechanics, but mostly the areas are a whole new challenge. For example, guards that call in to make status reports have to be left til last if you're going after the dog tags, or the guy on the other end of the radio calls in reinforcements to check the disappearance out. One thing lots of people complained about were the new cutscenes, which had "over the top" action which was "unrealistic". Personally I thought they were pretty damn cool

One thing that irked me about the game was the change of accent for Naomi. Mei Ling's and Nastasha's I didn't mind so much, but Naomi's old accent was sexy I'll forgive them though, seeing as how the game is so very, very good.

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As for my opinions on TTS, I think it's one of those things that your pretty much required to have if you own a GameCube. Also one comment for those of you who played the game, was that fight with Psycho Mantis SLICK or what? Talk about "thinking outside the box"?

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MGS2 was only released on PS2. MGS2: Substance was released on the PS2, XBox, and PC.

If you're wondering about the PC version, you better clear up some space, and you need to have a DVD-ROM to install it, since it comes on a DVD because of it's massive size (around 8GB if you install everything onto the HD. 8GB due to the cinematics in the game, and many of them).

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8GB. Yea... my HD is only 13GB. Is there like a minimum install option?

Ah, my mistake. As for Substance, I'd be more likely to get it for PS2. I just found the controls more comfortable.

One thing about TTS is this: if you never played the original, you're in for a great ride. If you have played it, you'll still love it, and you'll notice a lot of touches and injokes that new players may miss out on, such as Snake telling Master Miller that he can pull off Master's "stalking" technique (which requires analogue control). Meh, small stuff, sure, but noticing these touches improved the game a little for me

Yeah, the fight with Psycho Mantis was awesome I'm gonna go before I hyperventilate or something.

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Substance and MGS1 were released for PC, although Substance/SOL was a poor sequel IMO. TTS sucks compared to the original other than graphically--play it and you'll know why. The voice acting on the original was soooooooooooooooooooo much better, and the story was felt so much more. It's an experience.

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the best version of substance would be the PS2 version mainly because it lacks the problems of the others...

PC has some major HD requirements and Xbox version has some noticable slowdown issues

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I just finished playing TTS too, me and my friend played 8 hours straight and beat it, was really cool. The cinematics and blood effects were superb, The whole thing was just so cool, everyone had their cool moments and bada** kills. Gray Fox pwned, and bullet time in some cinematics were awesome, and not overused at all.

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I'm still not sure if I should get Twin Snakes. I mean it's still the same story and dialoge that I know from beating MGS 5 times. The new cutscenes look cool, but it changes Snake's character. Snake in the PSX's version of MGS was somewhat like a batman or James Bond. Despite being the underdog in most boss battles, he was able to beat them using his wits and weapons. Besides, if he can pull off those fancy dodge moves, why bother with stealth in the first place?

Is the fight with Psycho Mantis basically the same as the PSX version?

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Yeah he says "I see you like to play gamecube!" Then it readys yours memory card, and he reads off a bunch of the games you've played

Yeah, still have to change the Controller port.

Atleast that's what Agent_J says.

I just came in and out, watched all the cutscenes. Badass! The last level was so cool.

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The script was pretty much totally rewritten, but the story is exactly the same.

*Spoilers for Psycho Mantis fight*

Mantis sees that Snake doesn't believe that he's a psychic/telekinetic, so he says stuff based on how you've played so far (saves made, times in Alert mode, and so on). Snake still doesn't believe him, so he reads your memory card and makes comments on certain games (I got one for Eternal Darkness, Wind Waker, and Smash Bros. Melee). After that he tells you to put your controller on the floor and he makes it rumble (after Snake nods towards the camera to tell you to do it ). During the fight, he shouts "Blackout!" every now and then, and the screen goes black except for the name 'Hideo' in the top right, which is when you change your controller port.

*End spoilers*

Oh, and during the fight, try aiming at him in first person with any gun. After a while, the view changes to Mantis' viewpoint, and you can hear his breathing. You can do this before the fight as well, with Meryl.

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Heres a short thingamagiger that you don't have to read, it's just my opinions of playing MGS2 before MGS. if you don't want to read this first part, skip to the first line. If you don't want my intro to the game, skip to line 2 :P.

I played MGS2 on X-box about a year and a half ago. I liked and didn't like it. I didn't understand all the hype MGS was getting because it didn't seem all that great. I had read that lots of people thought MGS2 was bad, and I assumed that this had to do with the storyline, Raiden's feminine character, and that the gameplay experience was generally bad. I agreed somewhat because it didn't seem to be all that "stealthy" in my opinion. My approach was commonly to ditch the machine gun and dart people in the head just out of viewing range right in front of them. I really liked all the twists and stuff, it was really cool. THen I played it again with friends and we agreed that it was bad because it ahd waayyy too many subplots. Once we found out about Solidus Snake, we were like "ok, this is stupid, it better get better, etc." I mean it was a good experience, it just lacked what you might call an ending that was good. Er...an ending* I loved some of the music though, the final boss fight, the general *clickity click clik clik, clik, clik clik, followed by a warpidy hornish tune and some techno*. Basically, I assumed that I didn't like it because everyone said that the first one was so much more superior.

Could I have been more wrong...

I didn't like MGS2 for all the wrong reasons.
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I've now finished MGS on gamecube, about 10 minutes ago. My review:

The gameplay was the same experience. The arenas were smaller. The game was slightly longer.

I'm sure that the original had less cutscenes than this GC version. I'm sure that I would love the game more if I had played it on Playstation for many reasons, including:
-I've played Splinter Cell, IMO better gameplay
-I've played Splinter Cell, IMO better graphics
-How can I like Zelda: A link to the past now, if it came out on SNES 10 years ago? I couldn't. It was classic then, but I wouldn't enjoy it as much now if I hadn't played it then. It was fantastic at it's prime, and now it might not be AS fantasticly played.
-Different American mindset about nuclear missles at the time, too many games and stories that are similar have come out since then
-Stealth games have been around awhile now

So, I'll give the game all of the above, and say it's about 10% better than my opinion below.

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The entire game I was waiting for something. Friends had told me that the game was great, I accepted this fact and have been wanting to play it since. In the end, I hoped for slightly more/better plot twists. How many more plot twists can there get than MGS2 though? seriously. There were enough plot twists to satisfy me, however. Liquid's identity at the end, just before he enters Metal Gear...loved it. The whole FoxDie thing was kinda dumb, especially how the ended it's involvement with snake...too vague, too dumb. I loved Liquid's speech about Solid and his past at the end, but their final fight after Metal Gear was missing something. It needed more intensity, more action. He 'died' too many times too. The car sequence was nice, but then he had to die like 3x after that again...sigh. The VERY end was just ok, but the entire end, basically after you enter the code to deactivate Metal Gear till the end was very very good...overall.

I don't quite understand all the hype the game got back then, but that's probably because of the time it came out. I also played the game on easy mode...maybe I needed more of a challenge. Everyone tells me that "oh, #2 sucked, etc etc," but IMO, even though snake is the hero, I loved #2 for it's incredible plot twists and pretty good depth. HOpefully #3 will be more satisfactory and bring out what I'm looking for in the game that seems to be missing somewhat.

The Ninja was freaking awesome in MGS though...unfortunately his part in the story was scripted 10 years ago and he couldn't have had another kick arse scene or two, however his character was very well done. I loved the last thing Snake said to Naomi about the ninja.

In the end, I feel that the game deserves the 8.5 rating that ign gave it. It starts off good, but just doesn't quite excel to that 9.0 or 9.5 rating you want it to have.

I'm going to try it on hard or extreme this weekend.

-Veger

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