My friend and I -- the complete nerds that we are -- whiled away the 2 hours we spent driving back to college discussing Star Trek, and we realized that First Contact, Nemesis, and Insurrection never happened in reality -- it all happened in Picard's head.

You see, everyone crashed and died in Generations, so Picard, inside the Nexus, recreated the world as he thought it should have happened. So, in reality, everyone on the Enterprise D died. Thus, the Sona never existed, the Borg never went back in time and assimilated Earth, and there never was a clone of Picard.

I do not think that is the case. Yes, Picard was in the Nexus but he was able to travel anytime. Time has no meaning in the Nexus. That's how he met Kirk. Picard could have jumped 3,000 years into the future to see how humanity evolved...or he could have traveled to the origins of Man. I think that FC, Insurrection and Nemesis were real...but in a different timeline.

But it was all in Picard's head. Unless you think he actually had that family at Christmas?

I mean, Guinan appeared, but she was simply a representation of a part of Picard. Picard was able to get Kirk's assistance because he was in the Nexus as well.

Yes, that is true, but then they LEFT the nexus to stop the bad guy, thus changing the timeline and causing FC, etc to happen.

That's always been my understanding. But hey, I barelly know enough about ST to have a valid opinion.

JediKirby

What reason do we have to believe that the Nexus -- obviously either an independent reality or some sort of mental state -- can affect the third dimension?

Them "leaving the Nexus" was simply their co-creation of a personal universe in which they could save the crew of the Enterprise.

The only problem is that, even with Nemesis not having happened, Data still ends up dead, 'cause Picard doesn't save them in Generations. =(

I think none of them ever happened...because THEY ARE MOVIES!!!

They just haven't happened yet.

True...or it could have been Q screwing with Picard again. I personally think Picard was dumped back into reality. Remember Guinan said that it was a place she tried very hard to forget? It was like all uberjoy in there. Then she got pulled away when the two transports got stuck in the Ribbon. So in essence I guess you can say that the latter portion of the 23rd century didn't exist and was all a figment of Guinan's imagination

Oh no! The invasion of the Star Trek geeks! "Commander, move you Star Destroyers in position to bombard the fool Trekie fleet!" "Yes my lord!" Dun dun dun, dun da dun, dun da dun! Anyway, Star Wars>*.



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I don't think Picard's head could ever hold so much imagination as to invent that all. I mean, come on, his head couldn't even hold his hair!

But the guitar he was using hadn't even been created yet.

Never before has this man's member title ever been so appropriate. A valid point he makes.

Can't we all just pretend that Generation never happened? Please?

I remember seeing on the news (the G-Block) earlier this year that they found a head of a several thousand year old man... frozen and almost perfecly intact. As Shepard Smith was talking about it, I remember thinkin "Man, that guy tooks so much like Picard!"... Then, sure enough, they put a comparasen photo of Patrick Stewart right next to it... apparently it's a bad idea to take a Nexus for a spin in the late Pleistocene era.

But the last 3 movies have to be "real". You all remember the last episode "All Good Things", right? All of the movies, particularly Nemesis, all tie in to the future that Picard envisions in that episode.

BTW - Nemesis = BEST S.T. MOVIE EVAR! Even better than Wrath of Khan

Another BTW - WE'RE ALL N3RDZ!

But you forget, in X-Men he could kill everybody on the planet with a single thought

Blasphemy!

Ha HA!

I'm watching Generations now, and Kirk says that he "must have jumped that 50 times. Scared the Hell out of [him]. Except now. Because it isn't real."

*****WARNING MAJOR SPOILER*****

So you mean, Data isn't dead?

Well, we can only assume that when everyone else on the Enterprise died, he didn't survive them. But at least it was unavoidable as possible -- no "he could have used B4" stuff.

That would never happen. Star wars is in the past, star trek is in the future. Star Wars is in a galaxy far, far away. Star trek takes place in this galaxy.

*****!

What the hell? PWN-ED is blocked?

And who the hell made my title downgraded?! I'm not proud of that!

They're movies. things happen a certain way b/c the writers want them to. There is no forced contiinuity issues like in real life unless the writers manage to tie up all lose ends.