http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3643534.stm

The gun company has to pay compensation from the Washington sniper attacks.
That's like sueing the a car company when you get run over.

I can understand taking the people who sold the guns to court but the people who make the weapons can't take any responsibility for the shootings IMO.

Didn't read like it was much of a problem for the company.



And this doesn't sound too bad. Although I cannot say whether it will make any difference...

It may supposedly be people killing people, but they're no where near as effective at killing if they're using, say, a crobar (I hate to break it to ya, but Gordon Freeman is a fictional character). It would make sense to punish a company for making such an effective murder tool easily availible to the general public; this is very different from being run over by a car, which is a complete accident, and not an intentional murder with a weapon designed to kill human beings.

a crowbar is an effective killing tool...

the human body is soft and a crowbar is metal with semi sharp edges

but punishing the gun company is stupid guns are not designed for murder... they are a tool

go to a hardware store and look at all the tools... now how many of those could you kill with?

EXACTLY

if i wanted to i could kill with the shirt i am wearing right now

and cars... if someone gets run over sometimes it is an accident but if you don't think somoene can intentionally kill someone with a vehicle you really need a reality check

Eh, how do guns serve as a tool?

Tell me, if you were faced by a criminal in a dark alley, which would you rather see them have: a crobar, or a gun? I'd take the crowbar any day.


Go to a gun store and look at all the guns... now how many of those could you make a reasonable use of without killing, or threatening to kill anybody or anything?


Yes, EXACTLY. You have no point.


Yes, but what is the likelyhood you would fail, compared to if you were using a gun (any gun)? Thousands (if not millions) of times higher. With your shirt (or pants, or a crowbar), you have to get in close range, and the victim must not be moving (throwing a crobar isn't that effective). With a gun, you can kill them instantly, from very long distances.


I know perfectly well someone can intentionally run someone over in a car, but it's very difficult to kill a specific person, as a car is much poorer at killing people (per use or by time) than any gun.

Honestly, if you think any "weaponized object" is just as good for killing as anything else, you really need a reality check.

thing of all the things that a high speed projectile can do that don't involve killing or injuring another person

and even in killing it's still a tool... weapon is just a word that is used when the tool is used to kill

nottheking...

think... if guns didn't exist the criminals would just find ways to more effectively kill with that they have...

just ban erverything... even clothing... there muder is now down to bare hands... welcome to the early days of the human race

Bah... The most effective tool for killing this world knows is the human brain. If you want to stop killing, ban brains, not guns. Like you said yourself, the ciriminals can always find new ways to kill.

If they didn't exist then criminals would find it harder to effectively kill people... Obviously they'd try to find something else, but would it be just as good?

I think what many of you gun-nuts are not getting is that virtually everything has multiple purposes, and moreso, things should be judged by their primary purpose is (be design), which is what it does best.


Perhaps you should make up a list. As far as I can tell, the only non-murderous uses for any firearms are generally destructive. Hunting is a viable use, but a good hunting rifle isn't as effective at killing innocent people as it is at killing game animals (the .223 in question was designed to more effectively pierce armor or walls than normal guns). As for target shooting, it is merely practice, not a real application. I ask why people really practice using a weapon where the only serious purpose of the item is killing people.


Bah! How many times must I state it to you?!

Other objects are very poor at killing people, as they were designed for other purposes, not for killing; many objects are less effective than bare hands. Until you manage to actually think and speak scientifically, I will refuse to answer your squabbling any further, as you are not debating, you're just insulting people.

[edit: I also don't care if you just passed the "1337" post count.]

Ah! Glad to see somebody else in the thread who has common sense. I'd link some scientific articles to help prove your point, but the article databases aren't accessible to those outside of the university subscribing to them.

even without guns it is still quite possible to launch projecticles at a speed that can kill at a reasopnable range

and we can't forget homemade explosives...

don't bother saying guns should be banned entirely this is america... IT WON'T HAPPEN so debating it is pointless

if it did happen i'm sure you will see a large number of rednecks killing anything that comes near their house out of fear of losing their guns

if you don't like guns then please invent a time travel device and go to when guns didn't exist... one less human being on this overcrowded rock

There are quite obvious reasons for target shooting, and not all of them are aimed at a better ability to kill civilians.

frivolous lawsuits REALLY need to go.

i really do wonder if nottheking has ever held or even fired a gun before

The gun company paid 500k, which is millions less than they would have paid had this thing gone to trial. That was simply a business decision.

Bulls Eye Shooter Supply, the store, paid 2million. They paid 2million because they would have LOST the lawsuit because they illegally sold the firearms to people with a criminal record, and without the required waiting period, yadda yadda.

Suing the gun manufacturer is like suing the company that manufactured the bullet. Or the gasoline in the case of a car homicide. Get off your high horse with this about how guns are bad because they're designed to kill. You need to stop blaming inanimated objects and start blaming the actual criminal, the PERSON who is responsible. Like I always say when this bs debate comes up: japan has banned guns for its citizens, remember that gas attack in the subway that killed a few hundred people? How about that dude who walked into a kindergarten class and stabbed like 8 children to death? The terrorists who dropped the trade towers didn't use any guns. The idea that taking away guns will stop crazy murderers is simply insane - you ban guns, then only criminals have them. Because they're CRIMINALS, they don't listen to the law anyway! If banning something actually had an effect, there would be NO MURDER because as we all know, murder is banned.

So, now you're :banned:

(BTW: I actually bought my 45 from that exact gun shop.)

...because that surely will prevent someone from firing on another person with a gun.

Ooooh yeah.

(Can you say "money-grubbing bastards?")

It's all about sueing who ever has the money. Not who's at fault. Stupid morons! Don't they know this is bad for socity!



Either way you're probably going to die. The crow bar is silent- and will hurt allot more. You have a chance at surviving if he has a gun. He only has one shot before he has to flee, and if you survive, you will get help almost immediately because of the report. And if you have a gun, you can hold him off at long range, and you don’t have to worry about getting away because you want the police.

What if the guy has a silencer/suppresser on his gun?

Well even if the company does educate the stores on gun safety. I doubt the stores will pass it on to consumer.

HOW exactly, do you blame the inanimate object on someone's death? Even the argument against videogames holds more weight than firearms. Firearms are tools for killing, be those animals or humans, it's true. You have to pick up the firearm, load it, cock it, aim it at another human being, and pull the trigger. Blaming the gun company is like blaming an electric screwdriver company for someone drilling holes into your porch.

JediKirby

oh, and by the way: If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns.

Very true. The black market is always gonna be around, no matter what the government tries to do.

Like I said, if some guy pulls a gun or a crow bar on you in an ally, your probably going to die. The crow bar will hurt more though.

I rather be shot to death than beaten to death