Massassi Forums Logo

This is the static archive of the Massassi Forums. The forums are closed indefinitely. Thanks for all the memories!

You can also download Super Old Archived Message Boards from when Massassi first started.

"View" counts are as of the day the forums were archived, and will no longer increase.

ForumsDiscussion Forum → ChristoPaganism?
ChristoPaganism?
2004-09-10, 12:31 PM #1
I just heard about this "combo-religion" today, and it seems somewhat interesting.
http://groups.msn.com/ChristianCraft

(Of course, most Christianity has already been influenced by Paganism, so it's not really so big of a deal.)

If anyone knows anything more about it, or about Christo-Wicca, post it! I'm curious.
Catloaf, meet mouseloaf.
My music
2004-09-10, 1:53 PM #2
uhh... WTF? How can such a thing even excist?
2004-09-10, 1:54 PM #3
Oh.... My mistake, I misunderstood paganism with atheism. Sorry.
2004-09-10, 1:58 PM #4
I guess that kinda makes sense... I wouldn't be into it myself, but yeah, it almost makes sense.
Massassi's Official Chatroom: irc.synirc.com #massassi
2004-09-10, 2:14 PM #5
I'm actually considering it.
Then, I can listen to conservative Christians call me evil. Ha. :D
Catloaf, meet mouseloaf.
My music
2004-09-10, 2:20 PM #6
This is a complete oxymoron.

"Pagan" is not a religion. The word 'Pagan' means "not Christian". Its historical connotations have frequently been Wicca, Islam or Hinduism.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2004-09-10, 2:21 PM #7
Fine, I'll be more specific and say "Christo-Wicca." Is that better? ;)

(And you're using an obsolete definition of "Pagan." It's pretty much any religion in the "other" category; i.e. not "mainstream.")
Catloaf, meet mouseloaf.
My music
2004-09-10, 2:28 PM #8
I think it's a nonsensical redundancy.

Theurgy (Magic cast by invoking the powers of God) has been a key element of Judaism as late as 2000 years ago. This was done with complex rituals, artifacts and sacrifices. The power of the incantation is still a critical component of the Kabbalah.

Jesus taught that sacrifice was no longer desired by God (since He was the ultimate sacrifice) and that magical ritual was not necessary. Theurgy itself is a disrespect to God, since it implies that you're forcing God to do something. Prayer is the modern derivative of Theurgy and the only thing that remains significant to Christian faith.

Christian-Wiccanism is impossible since you're either choosing to ignore the teachings of Christ or you're ignoring the complex polytheistic/spirit/elemental system which Wiccans typically follow.
2004-09-10, 2:36 PM #9
Quote:
Originally posted by Mort-Hog
This is a complete oxymoron.

"Pagan" is not a religion. The word 'Pagan' means "not Christian". Its historical connotations have frequently been Wicca, Islam or Hinduism.


"Wicca" is just as much a religion as "Scientology". There is no "historical connotation", no "Wiccan" has ever had to burn at a stake.
"When it's time for this planet to die, you'll understand that you know absolutely nothing." — Bugenhagen
2004-09-10, 2:38 PM #10
Quote:
Christian-Wiccanism is impossible since you're either choosing to ignore the teachings of Christ or you're ignoring the complex polytheistic/spirit/elemental system which Wiccans typically follow.
Not really.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcr5.htm

The Bible seems to refer to Wisdom as a female entity; coincidentally on of the properties of the godess. The part I disagree with is that Mary would be the godess, posessing the same trinitarian properties of the Wiccan godess.
Wiccans in general seem to believe that the god and godess are singular and separate (comparable to the Holy Trinity in Christianity). You could go as far as to say that the godess came from god, much like how Eve came from Adam. That's not actually what Christo-Wiccans believe, as far as I know, but it seems like an interesting thought.

I've also never seen or heard of "Christian magic," though I did witness some interesting Pagan practices yesterday. (I'm not sure specifically what sect of Paganism.)
Catloaf, meet mouseloaf.
My music
2004-09-10, 3:22 PM #11
If you guys are interested in this kind of thing, you should read The DaVinci Code. Just remember to take everything you read in that book with a grain of salt.
2004-09-10, 5:17 PM #12
And read 'with a grain of salt', as 'the times he comes even close to being historically or doctrinally accurate seem to be complete accidents'.
Also, I can kill you with my brain.

↑ Up to the top!