sexxxual.... :-p

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

not in this case. over 50 toronto police officers were charged with extortion, bribery, theft, drug dealing and possesion (including the former chief's son who is now an addict getting treatment)... all in the same investigation. most of them were accepting money from club owners in exchange for tips as to when they were going to have a 'surprise' inspection.

all of them criminals!

I don't know about standard police training, but I know SWAT teams are trained to shoot to kill. No aiming for the arms or legs, because that won't kill them. Meaning they can still kill you.

I've noticed something funny. A lot of people in this thread are saying they hate all cops and are all crooked. A lot of these same people are also saying in another thread that we should rely on the police to prevent all crimes and there's no reason to have an armed populace. My goodness, it's crazy how emotions get in the way of consistency.

That's probably why they don't call a SWAT team to take care of a man with a hammer...

Come on, the principle still remains. Going for a non-lethal takedown would be unnecessarily dangerous for the policemen involved.

These men are trying to protect you. Let's show a little more respect and not consider them expendable simply because the odds are in their favor. I'd much rather have one lunatic die than a cop.

Do any of you have an idea how hard it is to control a lunatic? In the ER I volunteer in, it took 4 huge security guys to pin down a raving 100 pound druggie.

Getting hit in the head with a hammer could cause, you know, problems. I wouldn't wait to get hit, I'd shoot the guy. And being not mentally stable would suggest that if he is indeed not taken down, he can still cause serious injury.

I'd like to see a better suggestion. If you shot him in the leg he could possibly still move or throw the hammer. Arms aren't large targets, and if he is swinging, it's really hard to hit. I wouldn't risk it either, I'd shoot him as well. Unless I was the ultimate crack shot who could shoot the hammer out of his hand, I'd aim to kill. But none of them were Vash the Stampede, so I'd rather not rely on accuracy just to save that man over my own life.

If that had happened in Cincinnati, that guy would be jailed for life, and there would be riots on the street. Especially if the guy was black (no offense to any blacks here, just how it is in Cincinnati. Seems like most blacks in downtown cincy feel they are getting the rough end when in reality they are getting the exact opposite. It's quite sad, really.)

Awesome quote, Wolfy.

And this is why they have beanbag guns, or "less lethal" approaches. This and riots.

Um, guys, 'shooting him in the legs' and stuff only happens on TV. Up close with some hammer guy, it just doesn't happen.

I'm going to have to repeat myself. 12 shots from 5 officers is not an absurd amount of shots to fire. That happened in 1 second, tops.

Police are trained to aim for the chest and head when they shoot because those shots stand to incapcite the person completely. Shooting for arms and legs is dumb because there is a pretty good chance that it won't stop anyone, especially if they person is ticked off.

Put yourselves in the officers' position. If some whack job was threatening you with a hammer, which is a deadly weapon by the way, would you want to jump on the guy to try to take him out, even if there were four other guys with you? It's not worth the risk. Police protect their lives first, believe it or not.

I work at Starbucks and I have police officers coming in all the time. They're just people whose job involves A LOT of stress.

Remember in Kindergarten when you talked about jobs and stuff and one was always police officer? They tried to make it sound all noble. It's not. People hate you because some jerk in some state 2,000 miles away pulled them over once and gave them a hard time. People try to be asses just to get the officers in trouble. They have to put up with so much **** when they deserve to be treated with respect because they're willing to put their lives on the line in order to serve and protect the average citizen.

They can have bad days, they can overreact. While there is a small percentage that give the other officers a bad rep, there's always some dickface anywhere you go giving other hardworking people bad reputations.

Seriously, if you're job (every day) was to go rein in disorderly people and sometimes (the frequency depending on where you live) put their lives on the line and have to make split second decisions on who lives and who dies and how, you would take that pretty hard.

The officers in NYC may have overreacted and deserve punishment or they may have been justified. No one really knows for sure. All I know is that every officer I have ever met has my respect. If you're ever in a situation with an officer, if you show respect, you wont be ****ed with, they'll treat you with respect, even if you're a punk kid that usually likes to act like a douche.

The bit about you breaking down, my girlfriend once got a flat on the interstate one night and an officer did stop to offer help, but he said he couldnt do much other than call the fire department or the DoT's Emergency Response line and since she was already pulled over into the emergency lane and on a straightaway she should be alright. He told her to just stay in her car and keep her emergency lights on until someone came to help her. My friend and I got there about 5 minutes later and got the tire changed.

Cops arent mechanics, cops dont have to stop to help you with a broken down car. If any public safety service was in this it would be the DoT or the fire department because firemen are basically the people who do everything the police dont.

Sorry Schming, but the last part on your first post is wrong. You won't always be treated with respect back.

I've had tons of cops treat me like crap even though I've treated them with total respect (I treat everyone with complete and utter respect until I know and relax around them, then I joke around. Unless you totally and utterly piss me off). Admittedly, not every cop is like that, but not every cop isn't.

I try not to judge cops based on my experiences, because I've had some good, some bad.