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North Korea grows an atomic mushroom
2004-09-11, 10:01 PM #1
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_explosion&cid=516&ncid=716

My response to this was:

****!

It was probably inevitable and hopefully it's not as bad as it sounds... but if this means what I think it means then North Korea is going to be THE key foreign policy problem for the next president. Perhaps this will become an election issue... assuming it's true.

Anyone else buying a bomb shelter? :eek
2004-09-11, 10:04 PM #2
Sweet! I've been waiting for the days of aboveground nuclear testing to resume. I want pictures! And videos!
Stuff
2004-09-11, 10:11 PM #3
Meh. It was probably their only one.
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2004-09-11, 10:21 PM #4
Meh, they don't even know if it was nuclear or not. It was just assumed.

Mushroom cloud != nuclear explosion.

Though it's very possible.
2004-09-11, 10:22 PM #5
freelancer, thats prolly what the japanese would have said if they heard about the mushroom cloud in new mexico.
2004-09-11, 10:26 PM #6
Quote:
Originally posted by powertickle
Meh, they don't even know if it was nuclear or not. It was just assumed.

Mushroom cloud != nuclear explosion.

Though it's very possible.


While it is true that they don't know that it was nuclear, they say there was "...a mushroom-shaped cloud about 2.2 miles to 2.5 miles in diameter...". That's rather large for a non-nuclear device.
Stuff
2004-09-11, 10:27 PM #7
Never mind.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/12/nkorea.blast/index.html
Stuff
2004-09-11, 10:30 PM #8
thats still... huge.
2004-09-11, 10:34 PM #9
Quote:
The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire.

An explosion and a forest fire with a mushroom cloud... yeah whatever :rolleyes:

Sounds like wishful thinking on his part.
2004-09-11, 10:41 PM #10
Forest fires actually do create mushroom clouds, you know.
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2004-09-11, 10:47 PM #11
2 miles wide with an explosion?

I worded my first post wrong, I didnt mean to say it like I didnt think they had mushroom clouds.
2004-09-11, 11:18 PM #12
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2004-09-11, 11:56 PM #13
Oh noes! teh communists are coming!
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2004-09-11, 11:58 PM #14
they are already here
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2004-09-12, 1:34 AM #15
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2004-09-12, 4:33 AM #16
Quote:
Originally posted by Cazor
freelancer, thats prolly what the japanese would have said if they heard about the mushroom cloud in new mexico.

And they would have been right...
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2004-09-12, 7:54 AM #17
Quote:
Originally posted by TwistedSoul
[http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~bmerrill/Mushroom]


oh em gee
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2004-09-13, 8:21 AM #18
I think the government are more likely to lie about this incident than anything else.
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2004-09-13, 9:03 AM #19
Quote:
Originally posted by kyle90
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/12/nkorea.blast/index.html

'a huge explosion shook North Korea's northernmost province on Thursday'


Quote:
The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire.[/B]


...Huh? Forest fires dont go boom.
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2004-09-13, 9:17 AM #20
Maybe in crazy Australialand they don't, but in North Korea...well, there was undoubtedly going to be some bad news about watering their forests with gasoline.
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2004-09-13, 10:06 AM #21
Quote:
Originally posted by Mort-Hog
I think the government are more likely to lie about this incident than anything else.


I agree. When do 2.5 mi. high mushroom clouds form noramlly?
2004-09-13, 10:45 AM #22
Although there are claims to the contrary, I would find it hard to believe that the blast was the result of anything other than a thermonuclear device. The magnitude of the blast would be impossible for a non-nuclear explosive on its own (the most powerful non-nuclear bomb today, the MOAB, has a blast rating of only 14kt, giving it a cloud of only arround a thousand feet in size)

Of course, there's other factors I wish were availible for judgement. The mushroom cloud, shockwave, and intense heat are merely the three best-known effects of a nuclear bomb. To find out the truth most accurately, the location of the blast would have to be examined for fallout. Since North Korea isn't going to let outsiders in, the only other method would be to check records to see if there was any interference in radio communication at the time (another side-effect of a nuke is a massive EMP blast, that can completely disable radio communication for as long as an hour).

As for the count of Norht Korea's nukes, I believe the latest estimates believed there were six, which could mean they have five left.
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2004-09-13, 12:20 PM #23
yeah. despite government claims to the contrary, I believe it's a nuclear device. the evidence:

  • 2.5 mile wide mushroom cloud
  • crater visible from space
  • it was an explosion
  • occured on the anniversary of North Korea's birth, a day when many military demonstrations occur there
  • articles previous to the event reported that NK was leading up to a nuclear test
2004-09-13, 12:27 PM #24
Quote:
Originally posted by Warlord
yeah. despite government claims to the contrary, I believe it's a nuclear device. the evidence:

  • 2.5 mile wide mushroom cloud
  • crater visible from space
  • it was an explosion
  • occured on the anniversary of North Korea's birth, a day when many military demonstrations occur there
  • articles previous to the event reported that NK was leading up to a nuclear test
[/B]

Of course, keep in mind that the evidence isn't completely conclusive. As I mentioned, the EMP blast and fallout are the two smoking guns needed; either is enough (though the fallout would be stronger proof). Of course, it could have been a large meteor, as an estimated 80% of all Near-Earth Objects (NEOs, substantial asteroids that have orbits very close to Earth's) are still unknown.
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2004-09-13, 12:40 PM #25
Quote:
Originally posted by Spork
...Huh? Forest fires dont go boom.


What are you talking about? Aussyland has the few trees that are loaded with oil and do explode when ignited. :p

And I'm not sure if this explosion was intentional. It sounds like it happened at the Yongjo-ri facility, and it seems like a very large gamble to hold detonation tests in in that region.
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