... and it runs like absolute crap on my system, even at 640*480 with lowest detail. Like honestly, do you need a Cray supercomputer to run it properly or something? At 5 frickin' billion floating point operations each frickin' second, you think I would be able to get a bit more than about 7 fps.

But dynamic shadows are cool.

Also, thank God for the flashlight. Except there should be a way to attach it to your weapon.

not telling us your specs is REALLY helping

There is a way, and it's for pansies (IMO). (for flashlight on weapon thing) Just so you know, if you REALLY want it, it's called Duct tape mod.

I still don't have D3, I play it at a LAN place.

For pansies? Come on. You can't tell me that not being able to hold a pistol in one hand and a flashlight in another isn't unreasonable.

Okay, specs:

AMD Athlon 64 3400+
1.5 gigs of RAM
GeForce 2 <-- there's the killer right there

As for the flashlight and weapon thing, I love it how in some games (such as Halflife) you can have a gun in one hand, a flashlight in the other, and still climb ladders.

Press Ctrl+Alt+Del and close unnecessary processes. Helped me with FarCry, anyway.

all Pro-E-Sports-Gamer play their matches with low detail....

isn't there some sort of config file tweak that assigns more ram to the game or something?

No matter WHAT you do, your not going to increase your framerate. The video card is the limiting factor, not the system.

in half life, the flashlight was supposedly attached to the suit, irrc.

yeah get a new card...

gf2 was omg awsome... back in 2000

Yeah... I'm sure that is possible with a pump shotgun... or any gun that isn't small like a pistol...

you should still beable to fricken hold a flsah light in another hand!:D

How could you do that to that nice CPU!?! You are unworthy.

To all the people complaining about my graphics card, this is just a stand-in until my X800 XT comes in.

that could be a while

Your X800 XT isn't coming in, sorry chuck. They cancelled the line. I suggest cancelling your order and getting a 6800GT (I know, I know, slay me for being a traitor, but hey, it's the exact thing I did), unless you can afford the X800 XT from VisionTek or something.

And don't even complain about framerate on ANY game with that card.

This is all hinging on the facts that I know after what happened to me. Seriously, google it, you'll come up with plenty of rumors, and they were backed by the company (CDW) which were going to ship me my X800 XT.

^behold ignorance... they DIDN'T CANCEL THE LINE IT WAS A RUMOR

Dude I had one ordered, and they cancelled it. The X800 XT PE line, they cancelled. That's what he ordered, I'll bet. If he ordered one of those, it's not coming in.

They're still selling regular X800 XTs, I think, but they're really, really short on them, and they're selling like hotcakes. Happens always with new architeture.

alot of people have them... and can still buy them... orders where cancelled because not enough were made at the time ati really did screw up with the x800 series on supplying the demand... specifically the XT/XT PE

heck the stores around here probably still don't have the x800 pros (best buy only had empty boxes last time i was there)

X800 Pros are easy to find/order.

And no, they cancelled the X800 XT PE line. My order was placed July 20th, and cancelled August 30th, roundabout. Trust me, they should have gotten SOMETHING in during that time.

...it's still on the ATI site and I just read a review of it on hardavenue.com (posted on August 28). Can't find anything remotely official about the line being cancelled. Only some stuff about them being rare because of the type of RAM used.

How about you see if you can burn up that GF2 running D3 :p

They use the same exact RAM as the 6800 line (GDDR3 if I'm not mistaken), so that's false right there. And are you sure you saw the X800 XT PE? Not the X800 XT? There's a difference, albeit slight.

You're debating a card. A graphics card.

Am I the only person who sees how stupid this is?

Does anyone really care?

^^^ that sounds like fun :p Reminds me of the Voodoo that they fried on techjunkies.com back when it was still online.

Actually, 5 GFlOpS is pathetic power; even the MS XBox gets 30 GFlops; newer series of cards have performance measured in TerraFlOpS.


you bet they are. I'm anticipating getting a copy of it myself, after I replace my graphics card.



As for the flashlight and weapon thing, I love it how in some games (such as Halflife) you can have a gun in one hand, a flashlight in the other, and still climb ladders. [/B][/QUOTE]
The flashlight seemed to be the biggest misgiving I've seen among people's opinions of Doom3. Of course, I agree that in such a future era, guns should have lights mounted on them. As for using both hands and climbing a ladder, I always found that funny; (in HL) You've got a scientist who's using both hands, and still can climb a ladder. Hilarious.


WTF?! I thought a GeForce 3 or Radeon 8500 was the absolute minimum for the game! Yeah, that's your killer there. I've got a somewhat comparable processor (Athlon64 3000+, blast AMD for switching to socket 939!), 0.5 Gb RAM (PC3100 400Mhz, no less), and my ancient Radeon 7000 ensures that I still get crap regardless of what else I have. My brother has a measly Athlon XP 2400+, yet his Radeon 9600 XT allows him to get 60fps with almost everything, with maxed resolution, settings, anti-aliasing, and anisotropic filtering.


That smells of NVidia-brand poison; we don't need that (the poison, not NVidia) here.

Also, it appear buy.com has Platinum Edition cards availible for not unreasonable prices (though Froogle tells me everyone else is selling 'em for over $700US)... And I don't see where anybody's cancelled that line.

I don't know what sources you are quoting, but on the top 500 list of the fastest supercomputers in the world, the slowest is 624 gigaflops... Maybe it's a different benchmark for graphics? I wouldn't know. I'm probably way off.

Top 500 supercomputers: http://top500.org/list/2004/06

Computing power calculator: http://www.ud.com/calculator/

I think it's stupid too

Yeah, power is measured differently for those meant for 3D graphical applications (all of those 500 are not build for that purpose; that's what render-walls are for). 30 Gflops is also the rough performance of a modern Cray YMP-C93 supercomputer as well (but with only 16 processors)... Of course, using the calculator provided, the Celeron 733Mh found in the Microsoft XBox comes up at about 550 Megaflops; I think 30Gflops is the power of the modified GeForce 3 it uses.

But thanks for the list, though it isn't terribly useful (other than for pure geekery, which should actually be enough)... And not to mention, it merely lists individual computers, and not server farms (which render walls are). If I recall correctly, the world's most powerful computing network is Google, getting well into peta-flops.

Also, I'm somewhat dissapointed that while it lists fairly modern clokc speeds, the power calculator doesn't include any processor types from later than 2001. (I wanted to know the power of my theorietical dual-FX-53 hyper-gaming rig)

no GF4MX is the minimum but a GF1 or 2 CAN run it but not very well... the GF4MX even though it's performance is roughly near that of a GF2 has a couple of things going that make it run a little better in doom3... enough to make it barely playable

GeForce 1? never heard of it. Do you mean GeForce 256?

I've been frequently confused as to what GeForce card equals what capabilities. I'm not sure exactly what level of D3D each card supports... I know they're OpenGL-based, but I don't think that would allow them to translate D3D into openGL, thus allowing any GeForce card to run ANYTHING (though performance is another question entirely). I'm normally very good at math (and I can do some programming), and believe myself to have a grasp upon the inner workings of 3D hardware, but I've always been befuzzled by NVidia's graphic chips. Perhaps that's part of the reason why I've only used ATI Radeons... But perhaps you could help me understand the difference between them.

The only difference is nVidia throws brute force at their cards (MHz race, they usually have higher clockspeeds) while ATi uses a more graceful route (ala AMD) and gets more out of their clockspeeds. Usually.

SM3.0 f***ed that up.

But yeah, graphics cards have the fastest processors known to man (at least that work--quantum computing's still in the works), at 256-bits compared to 64-bits, not to mention much more sophisticated design. That's why a fully 3d-accellerated OS would be awesome--it would run the same on any processor, basically, the only difference would be the GPU.

There are several mods that attach flashlights to weapons among other things.
The end result is they ruin the game. Just like that you lose the scary atmosphere, you lose the challenge of killing demons and zombie in the dark with nothing but the lights of their eyes to guide you.
If you ever come across a mod like that, I urge you NOT to download it, it actually manages to turn all of Doom 3's glory into just another run-of-the-mill shooter.
It sounds amazing how much a simple little mod like that can do, but it's true.