Okay, for those of you who don't know, I'm a rightwing conservative kind of guy. I don't blindly follow ideological direction but I definitely lean right.

Anyway, I'm sure that all of us, respective to our political sides, hear people on our side use horrible arguments and stupid statements to back up our positions.

My parents are liberal democrats and, without going into details, always feel victimized. Tonight my dad said something about Bush's stupid comments when he first saw planes flying into buildings on tape on 9/11. Clueless I asked him what he was talking about and he said Bush said something like, "Now that's a bad pilot". Can anyone here confirm or deny that statement? I don't have the heart to search for it myself and I figured someone here would know if it were true or not.

In addition, this could be a good thread to generally ask those of opposite views what they think about their sides radical statements or views.


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Googled it. There are a lot of pages refering to it, but none of them I'd claim as decent sources.

Edit: http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7816



[This message has been edited by Jaiph (edited April 01, 2004).]

It's bs. If he had actually said that, the media would never have let it go.


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Jaiph's quote makes considerably more sense. I remember at the time of the first attack, no one knew what was going on, and, yes, few thought it was a terrorist attack until the second plane hit. Many thought it was some kind of horrible pilot error. I know I did; I didn't realize the gravity of the situation until the second plane hit.

[This message has been edited by oSiRiS (edited April 01, 2004).]

Agreed. That, and I believe I saw a video somewhere of when he first found out (media video), and he was told (whispered to) in front of the kids (they couldn't hear), and he straightened up, and then kept on reading to the kids. Or doing whatever he was doing.

I seem to recall he didn't actually talk to anyone else until the second plane hit.

This was a year and a half ago, but I think that's right.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited April 01, 2004).]

*confusion* wtf are you talking about man? did you even read the thread?

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Maybe he means me and my parents. In which case he is probably right!

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But yah, it sounds true enough to me. I thought it was pilot error at first as well.

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Why even bother to be conservative if you aren't also obsessed about objective truth?

I deal with radical statements and views by not having a side. There's no reason I should defend someone else's mistakes and idiocies.

Search for "That's some bad pilot" and decide for yourself.

oS: You suck. Decisions about the accuracy of a quote shouldn't rely on paronoia and the possibility of positive spin.

[This message has been edited by Ictus (edited April 01, 2004).]

Yes, I sort of mean you and your parents. I'm just speaking generally. And no, I'm correct, not right.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited April 01, 2004).]

Because it was a depressing conversation and I didn't feel like researching it myself. Well, in a way, I did because I asked for opinions here. Obviously the information was out there since they heard it reported. I figured the best people to ask about the "quote" are those who would be the happiest by pointing out something "negative" towards Bush.

I understand that you would think conservative means I would hunt down the truth. I assume you mean conservatives are more interested in truth and I am. Just instead of weeding through internet sites I wanted opinions. I appreciate the fact that you don't have one.

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Yeah, it seems perfectly reasonable in that context. After knowing that two planes struck, then getting word of the Pentagon, and then the fourth plane crashing I wondered just how many planes were under their control that morning. I remember plainly how horrible I felt that day.


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It's funny Wookie06. I know a guy that got laid off the same time I did. He blames our prime minister at the time, Jean Cretien, and I blame bad management due to the fact that the decision to lay us off was based on whether management would be able to work with us or not on a personal level. They actually said that to the remaining employees so we know it's true.

Just shows you how people seem to percieve seemingly identical situations and things.

I don't know if that was relevant or not but it made me think about it when you said your parents always feel victimized.

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To sum up their situation, they're both pretty old (64/73). Dad is in terrible health. They live in a small apartment. They lived with me for three years prior to that. They have saved nothing in their lives and rely soley on Social Security. Again, they saved nothing, invested nothing, own only what is in their apartment and a 1988 Ford Escort. They pay no taxes no, obviously, because they don't earn anything and only receive their checks from the government. My dad can't afford much in the way of healthcare but has been making use of medicare and VA benefits but now he's finding out that VA won't cover dialysis so I don't know which program they will use to pay for it. I'm sure there's one out there.

I feel terrible that they're in the position they're in but they are responsible for it. They both made good money at times in their lives and things could have been so much different for them. They were both intelligent and could have done so much more. Now they just spit the same angry talking points that they see on TV all day long.

It depresses me and makes me not even want to deal with them but I don't want to hurt their feelings and you never know when it's too late.

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The only thing I find strange about what President Bush did on 9/11 is that when the aide told Bush that America was under attack he just sat there. Why didnt the Secret Service grab him and shuttle him off or why didnt he stand up and say "Kids, I've got to be going something important just came up" ?

I've always found it interesting that it took the government so long to react to the attacks (not react as in Afghanistan but react as in closing all airports and downing all flights). There's some conspiracy theory websites out there dedicated solely to this. If you look at them, be sure not to take everything at face value, view them more as entertainment than information because so far I havent looked into seeing if it's true, mainly because the sources on the topic are limited... mainly those websites and that's about it.

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Disagree on first point, agree on second point.

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Schming, when faced with a new and never before threat, sometimes the OS doesn't know what to do or tell the processor what to do. President or not, I'd be thinking, "What the hell do I do? Hey you guys, what do I do?"

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I'd be thinking, "I'm the ****ing president! Get me in a bunker surrounded by [massive amounts of] dogs!"

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[This message has been edited by Schming (edited April 02, 2004).]

I thought nothing strange about his reaction. Everyone was shocked by the event. I imagine it's much worse when you're the man that's bearing the weight of practically the entire world on your shoulders.

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All I will say is this:


When 9-11 happened, a guy in my debate class said that he was at the top of the world trade center a couple years ago. I jokingly said "You're not going up there any time soon." And we both laughed. We had no idea at the time...

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When I saw the first plane hit, my thoughts were "So, it finally happened" (When the original plans for the NY WTC were drawn, many were fearful that planes might hit it).

When I say the second plan hit, my thoughts were "So, it finally happened. I certainly hope the response does justice" (I was hoping that Al-Qaeda had shut up after the Embassy bombings in '98, but apparently, they hadn't)

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...because the United States didnt really respond in '98. There were a few cruise missile attacks... that's about it. There wasnt really a huge crackdown.

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I'm sure a terrorist using a plane as a large scale victory bomb was the first thing that crossed everyone's mind.

I sat in class that morning when the teacher came in and turned on the television in a hurry. I sat and watched the first tower burn and thought to myself what kind of mechanical error would put a jumbo jet so far off without any way to steer clear into the bay instead of a building.

I not only assumed pilot or mechanical error, but I also assumed that it must have been really bad to lose that much control.

the shock came when the second plane hit while I watched the first one burn. I didn't know what to think. My mind raced for a solution. That sort of pilot error couldn't occur twice in a row in the same few minutes. It was then that I knew (as well as few others*) that the entire thing had been deliberate.

*But apparently it was a deliberate terrorist attack using planes as weapons instead of hostages and I was a total moron for thinking that the pilot could in any way be at fault. I mean, That sort of thing happens all the time, right?

right?

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Bush did nothing but sit in the elementary classroom for about 5 minutes after being told. I could probably dig up some video footage if you'd like...

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Sure, go ahead and dig up the footage.

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