http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/




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I wish it continued for a few more seconds... politicians have a great way of filtering what they notice.

Damn, that made me laugh.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

I'm not really pro or anti-bush, but that's hilarious.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

Can anyone verify those statements?

Honestly, I SEEM to remember him and Bush and all their spokespeople throwing terms like that around all the time. But I can't verify it.

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heh

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

I hope bush and his administration get rammed to high hell for pulling BS like this.

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If you ever want to be hated by your peers, make them look bad. That's what America did.

Heh, it's because Bush hides the fact that his administration isnt really capable of handling everything at once (though I believe he's trying his hardest, but I think we need a courageous dove and not a war hawk in office) with clever catch phrases. Like "The War on Terror"

But I dont really see how that's an issue... I especially dont like how the video fades out in the middle of Rummy's rebuttle. I mean, people dont always remember if they've ever said something. I think it's kind of irrelevant.

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I never said I liked JK!

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LIES!

/me points.

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Sure, Rumsfeld was being quized about calling Saddam an immediate threat then he fails to remember using the two words when saying that nobody else posed a more immediate threat. Even we should be fair. MoveOn.org is a travesty to our cause anyway. They deny supporting any candidate for president but then they send letters out to its members to send donations to support Kerry. Also, you can't really fault Rumsfeld for fumbling abit. Few can match El Maestro Bill Clinton. He made us doubt the definition of the word "is" and whether or not oral sex is sex. He's da man.

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They don't support Kerry. They support getting Bush out of office. Kerry is the only candidate capable of doing that.

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Well, nobody REALLY supports Kerry. You're right, afterall. My point is that they publicly stated they supported no candidate but then they ask their members to donate to Kerry. We have to keep that kind of stuff secret so as not to give the rightwing attack machine any more ammo.


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I wish there was a good democrat running. One that wanted to improve the speed and access of the internet. /sigh

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Anyone who is familiar with word problems knows that 'is' means = to...dur...

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Exactly! He is da man. Nobody had to tell them anything after that. Except their parents but we can undo whatever harm they inflict with some good ole public education!

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Ah, ever-present reminders that left-wing organizations are like (I said like) the Soviets: They say what sounds good; they do what they want; they don't care if the two resemble each other.

I'm not sure what perspective Wookie has been coming from lately, but I think I like it.

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Wookie: MoveOn claimed they supported no candidate? That's odd, given that they held at least one (inconclusive) straw poll to determine who they endorsed.

Fixed.

Exactly my point. Obviously they just put their foot in their mouth like Kerry keeps doing. Damn I wish we had a better candidate to go up against the Bush war machine!



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*gasp* A POLITICIAN LIED??!?!?!?

*coughclintoncough*

At least Rumsfield wasn't under oath.

[oh, I guess Clinton was already mentioned.. But my point is, this is hardly a major thing compared to what politicians have been doing for years... It's also quite possible that Rumsfield merely forgot... Still bad, but not immoral.]
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No, Wookie. It means you are either lying or misinformed. Run along and find me a source that supports your assertation.

<3 Sarn

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well technically he didnt lie

it all depends on your definition of sexual relations i guess that was his explaination for it what a load

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At least Clinton didn't cost over 500 American lives with his purported lie.



When did Kerry do that?


-Fox

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Why would I lie about such a thing? Absurd. Any way:



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114578,00.html

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Firefox, Kerry put his foot in his mouth several times when confronted by a voter about his supposed meetings with foreign leaders and when he replied to Bush criticism that he voted against funding for the military by saying he actually voted for it before he voted against it. That's a few. Today he criticized Cheney for being part of all the team that didn't take the fight all the way to Baghdad in '91 even though that would have been a clear violation of the UN resolution that was the basis for Desert Storm. There are too many to list in a short post. And what lie are you referring to in your last post?

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Sources?



If true, it's a small violation, considering what we and some of our allies have done in the past.

[This message has been edited by Firefox (edited March 18, 2004).]

From the MoveOn's website:
Wookie## is lose. Remember, Fox News can't handle any more detail than the preliterate individuals they pitch to. Do yourself a favor and find a media source that knows what it's talking about.

Kerry voted against an $87 billion supplemental appropriations bill, of which less than one half of one percent was earmarked for body armor for American troops in Iraq. He did cosponsor a measure that would provide the $87 billion while temporarily suspending Bush's tax cuts for those making over $400,000 a year (once again demonstrating his fiscal responsibility opposite Bush's madness), which is the source of the quote you mentioned. You probably shouldn't take your political perspective from campaign advertisements.

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I don't mind giving sources for some obscure event or something but these are pretty readily available. The clip with the man asking him about his meetings with foreign leaders clearly shows Kerry going from saying he has met with foreign leaders recently that looked him in the eye(which no independant search can verify) to having heard from leaders elsewhere in the world. He told the guy it was none of his business and then bashed him for voting for Bush. Way to win over the opposition. Another clip shows Kerry respond to a Bush add criticizing him for voting against the $87 billion additional appropriation for defense and he says "I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it" That whole event was spurred by Kerry criticism that Bush sent the military off without the proper equipment. How interesting Kerry has a consistent record of always voting against that equipment. Now, after Cheney has criticized Kerry yesterday for his for/against statement Kerry sends an email to the media criticizing Cheney for not going to Baghdad the first time. The UN resolution for Desert Storm was to liberate Kuwait, not take over Iraq. Iraq withdrew and agreed to additional UN resolutions, which it continually reniged on and prompted Operation Iraqi Freedom.

So there you go. The sources for most of this runs daily if not hourly on TV and if you're not seeing it in your favorite news shows you should wonder why. There are numerous sources available on the internet if you prefer.

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I'm not going to do your footwork for you. You made the claim. You support it.


-Fox

Ictus, how much money do you think one half of one percent of $87 billion dollars are? That is an enormous ammount of money and sufficient to pay for body armor. So you're criticism means?

I don't get my political perspective from campaign ads. I get them from my values. Obviously Kerry values raising taxes more than voting for funding for our military. He has a clear record of voting against the military.

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You don't need to do any footwork for me. I already have the facts. I'm not making a claim, I am relaying information that is being consistently reported. The fact that you are claiming ignorance of these enormously reported stories demonstrates to me that you have a lack of knowledge of the issues. If your honestly going to tell me that you are unaware of any of this I will compile a sort of "Completes Idiots Guide - " set of links to these issues. It just seems odd that you would even bother debating the issue when you seem so unknowledgeable of the current events regarding it.


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You had said,



This means you're making a claim. I'm asking you to show your sources.


-Fox

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So...you can't back up your claim (directed to Wookie06)?

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I actually like debating with you so don't take anything personal, BTW. Just wanted to say that. Anyway, answer me this: do you actually not follow any of this? Seriously. That's fine if you don't. Alot of people aren't interested in it or at least not to the extent that they're going to follow it at this point in the game. Also, would you agree that, if true, some of the things I "claim" Kerry said are of the kind of misspeaking that Bush would have routinely been criticized for when he was a candidate in '99?

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Wookie: The number was $300 million for body armor, or around .345% of the total. You actually think Kerry should have agreed to spend $87 billion on top of an already enormous deficit so that a infinitesimally small portion would go to cover for someone's incompetence? Like I said, Kerry tried and found a sane solution that was voted down.

Saying something doesn't make it true. Find some documentation for those of us who would like to distinguish between downing pork for defense contractors and actually "voting against the military".

Odd. This is probably a double post. Or maybe not. This post was brought to you by the letters 'D' and 'S'.

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I do, but I've yet to hear substantial evidence that Kerry has backpedaled on anything without reason.

I'm still waiting for your sources.


-Fox

[This message has been edited by Firefox (edited March 18, 2004).]

Ictus, I wouldn't expect Kerry to make a vote to cover for the incompetence of the Clinton administration. I would think it reasonable that he would vote to give the military the resources it needed after voting in support of the mission they were going on. Instead he chose to tie his vote into raising taxes. That's his decision and he can run on that record. As it is the spending appropriation was approved and troops received additional equipment. I imagine you can find a breakdown of the appropriation on a government site. That's not what concerns me and I didn't make the specific nature of the funding an issue. In my opinion, military spending should be the top expenditure of the federal government anyway.

Firefox, the debate here is broadening from my original post. With regards to the specific nature of my first "Kerry foot in mouth" post, I will admit that I do not yet have a link to the email Kerry sent out today. I will continue to look for that. I heard that reported over the radio earlier, however that was very minor anyway as it only referenced Desert Storm, or at least the part I cited. I am a little confused about why you want sources to the man challenging Kerry about foreign leaders and the 87 billion. If what you want is me to provide sources that provide Kerry's rationale I think that is impossible. The two above mentioned incidents have been running almost nonstop (not really but you know what I mean) in the political news programs. I find it hard to believe that you haven't seen them. If you have simply drawn different conclusions from the same material, that's one thing, but I doubt at this point any internet news article that I link to is going to persuade you that Kerry was bumbling in those two instances if you have already seen it and don't agree. Personally, I think it is hard for some people to criticize the person they are hoping wins. I desperately think Bush being re-elected is the best thing for the country but I am very critical of much of his policy.

One thing on sources. As I said earlier, I wholeheartedly agree that sources should be linked to when stating something "revolutionary". I don't understand the demand for sources for what appear to me to be common knowledge for those that would care to debate the specifics. His voting record is being widely debated on the news programs and not being disputed. The incident with the voter challenging Kerry on the leaders he's met with is widely covered. If you want sources for the material I am watching, watch the news. You know, you can't always link to something that you learned off the internet. Besides, I've never understood the credibility of internet links as the end all source. I asked someone for a source once and he linked me to a gossip column on MSNBC.

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I simply want you to back up what you've said regarding your "Kerry has his foot in his mouth" comment. If you do not wish to back it up, then we have nothing to debate.


-Fox