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2004-09-18, 11:04 AM #1
For the intelligence impaired: We're DICUSSING it, so there will probably be SPOILERS. You have been warned.

Significance of not letting you know the Bride's name until somewhat near the end?

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2004-09-18, 11:12 AM #2
well i thought just made her name interesting when they did reveal it; nothing like OMG!@!@! I deffinately liked the 1st one more they were leading the movie to a big showdown that last only a few seconds.
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2004-09-18, 11:12 AM #3
i loved the movies, but I always thought it was dumb that they censored her name in the first movie.

i mean, sure its a nice fad you dont know her name, but the fact that you know her name or not changes *nothing* in terms of watching the film... it seemed to be a trivial idea taken to epic proportions..... i doubt my experience of kill bill would have changed in the slightest if i knew her name or not... as long as i recognised she was pissed off and looking for revenge, her name didn't mean **** to me.
2004-09-18, 11:25 AM #4
First movie asked the questions, second movie had the answers.

Also it's probably an homage to some old movie.
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2004-09-18, 11:35 AM #5
er, actually bill said her last name at least once (possibly twice) in kill bill 1. you just didnt notice it, cause it sounds like his pet name for her.
2004-09-18, 12:05 PM #6
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Originally posted by Cazor
er, actually bill said her last name at least once (possibly twice) in kill bill 1. you just didnt notice it, cause it sounds like his pet name for her.


Exactly.
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2004-09-18, 12:11 PM #7
I got pissed (no I don't mean angry :D) watching the first one (first and only time) and then went straight to see the second at the cinema. I really enjoyed them both, but have zero recollection of what the Bride's name was (I must've been underwhelmed).

I loved all the bits with the old kung fu master in the second film - it was so funny, cheesy, and bad, but it was such adictive watching! All the funky extreme close ups of the beard stroking etc. Just brilliant! :)

Also a big fan of blood and gore, easily pleased I am.
2004-09-18, 12:18 PM #8
Quote:
Originally posted by Martyn
I loved all the bits with the old kung fu master in the second film - it was such addictive watching! All the funky extreme close ups of the beard stroking etc. Just brilliant! :)

Also a big fan of blood and gore, easily pleased I am.
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2004-09-18, 12:22 PM #9
Her name was on both airline tickets in Volume One. Look closely at them when she travels to Okinawa and Tokyo...
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2004-09-18, 1:19 PM #10
I don't think her name was openly revealed in Vol. 1 because it makes her invincible image more easier to take in. If I knew her name then I'd feel like she were just a normal human throughout the Crazy 88s fight, waiting for her to die. In Vol. 2, we know her name, and know there's a good possibility she might die.

At least that's my take on it.
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2004-09-18, 1:28 PM #11
That's just Quentin's style.
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2004-09-18, 2:22 PM #12
I haven't read anything on the matter, but from watching it I think the major theme was about the effect of violence on children.

Some things that make me think this:
  • Vivica A. Fox's child watching her mother die.
  • O-Ren Ishii watching her parents die, seeking revenge, and becoming an assassin along the way.
    "Revenge is never a straight line. It's a forest. And like a forest it is easy to lose your way...to get lost...to forget wher you came in."
  • The whole flash of the Bride in the classroom as an adult answering her name, as if she never was a child. We are told she was a natural born killer, the entire concept of which the movie often contradicts, showing how killers are made from children. Her name only adds to it.
  • The character Go-Go Yubari.
  • the conversation bill has about the goldfish.
  • the violent movies and shows that play in the background whenever we see the daughter: Shogun Assassin, Loony Tunes, etc.
  • the whole thing about Bill's father figures, and the pimp's ******* sons.


I would think we aren't told the origins of Elle, Budd, the Bride, and everyone to give the impression that they were always that way, while the movie as a while should make you question that.
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2004-09-18, 2:53 PM #13
I did notice Cazor, I was wondering if perhaps it was meant to lead you to think that him calling her kiddo gave him special affection towards her, but then you find out that it's just her name.

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