http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/20/iraq.beheading/index.html

My only opinion on this is basically I am sadened(sp) at the loss of a human life. What's your opinion on this?

If that's the really case, the British fella's not gonna be far behind. I'd like to say I have an opinion of what should be done - but right now I wouldn't want to have anything to do with this. Tough calls.

But definitely saddened, and quite a lot pissed off actually. Killing innocent people never got anybody anywhere, if these guys have a point to make, go make it to the soldiers who are payed to deal with them, not civil engineers (I'm gonna be one soon) who are just there rebuilding your shattered country.

They don't ever learn, don't they?

Morons.

All they've learned is that they can influence other countries since several countries have already reacted by pulling their troops because of the actions of these terrorists.

Apparently Not.

They need to die...NOW. The slowest, most gruesome manner for these <string of swearing> terrorists.

I don't get it. How is this helping their cause? If they really wanted some effect, they should be going after someone who's actually important to the U.S. government, not civilians.

Oh god I hope they capture Zarqawi alive.. I have a few ideas on how he can be executed

Yeah, it is sad. That whole country is in ruins. After the iron grip rule of Saddam this might have been their best chance to get a decent quality of life, but apparently that is not to be their fate. The tradition of violence and barbarism is too deeply rooted over there, and so it produces more terrorists that any society can handle.

I wonder how long it will take before the casualties grow too high, and all the western troops are withdrawn. And what dreadful dark age will begin after that in that poor country.

And the U.S. will forever be at blame in their eyes.

I saw that at about 1 this morning and had to run to the toilet to throw up. Luckily I didn't, but ugh...I've felt nauseaus all day. I really don't have the words to describe how this all feels. And Blair basically saying he can't do anything for Ken Bigley is... *sigh*...

And ours.



Perhaps the iron grip rule of Saddam was their best chance to get a decent quality of life.

No doubt you wouldn't blame the guerillas at all. No, because you're the kind that would rather see the U.S. fail than a country be rebuilt.

I love you Roach.

An eye for an eye is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. These people would rather die then be in jail for life, so why give them what they want?

Sick. I had to sit through my friends watching the executions on the internet...I didn't watch it, but I could hear it. They didn't even know what they were watching until it was too late.

Either way, I blame both countries. The US, AND the Guerrillas/Terrorists, whatever the hell you want to call them.

Who cares what they want. Killing them would be a great benefit to humanity, PERIOD.

I belive killing these men would bring justice for the families of the murdered. But it would not solve anything, it will simply reappear in the form of other men. What I belive has to be addressed is the actions of these people of course, but also the reason why they did this, or else it will simply happen again with other people involved.

I'm sorry, but if someone beheaded someone I know...I'd sure as hell want that person to suffer the most painful, slow, agonizing death imaginable. And I highly doubt anyone here would feel any different if it were someone they knew that was murdered.

Temp, while I can see what you mean, I disagree with you. Not everybody feels a need for revenge. My cousin and her friend were raped and beaten several months ago, and her friend recently committed suicide. While I do feel incredibly angry towards the scum that did this, and I impulsively did want them to die, given time to think about it, I don't want them to die, I don't want them suffer, I want them to spend the rest of their lives away from good and decent people. I want them to remember what they did, but I don't want them to die by a humans hand. Their justice may come from something bigger than all of us, or they may just spend the rest of their lives as faceless, useless humans. They should never again be able to enjoy the privlages that good people earn. Their lives should be the bare minimum for existance. But never, would I want anyone to die. It won't change what happened.

It's quite simple.

This never happened under Saddam Hussein.

It was the US and Britain that invaded, it was their decision. It wasn't the Iraqis. It was the US and Britain. They took apart a fully functional government that did a very good job of protecting its citizens from these sorts of extremeists. Iraqis were not afraid of this sort of thing under the Ba'ath party. Yes, they sacrificed a lot of rights in order so they could feel safe, but they were safe.
They are no longer safe, and it is because of the US and Britain. It is their fault, and everything that happens is because of the US and Britain.

The 'plan', so to speak, is to rebuild the country so that Iraqis feel safe and have various additional rights.
Is it going to happen? I'll believe it when I see it.
I think Iraq is going to plummet into civil war before long. And it's because of the US and Britain.

Ok, lets please not jump on Mort-Hog. Good post.

Anyways, I got my scouts knife, and my bat strapped, lets go get these mother****ers. Who's with me?

Mort, no. Just no.

It happened only because of one man. GWB. To blame America and Britain is pretty damn stupid. It's not like everyone in both countries got to vote on the matter, so STFU. If they HAD got to vote on the matter (assuming we weren't misinformed with the lies congress was), we wouldn't have gone to war.

Chill out with the STFU. What happened to this United and stand and all this Americans stand together crap? Sure, I like to blame everything on GWB, but "we" voted him into office.

Go out and vote.

Hah. Hahahahahahahaahhaha.

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Bwahahahahaahahahah!

Seriously, you have no idea. American politics are a joke. I sure as hell didn't vote him into office, I don't approve of a lot of his actions, and my so-called "representatives" don't take my concerns into account at all. Go out and vote? Go out and vote?

Why? Seriously, tell me why I should. It won't make a difference. I live in the most Republican state in the United States. Due to the electorate college, my vote will not matter. Our state will have two votes for GWB in the coming elections. It's a given. If our country held democratic elections, THEN, my friend, my vote would make a difference in the popular vote. Then I could actually say I voted for Kerry. However, if I go vote in the coming election, my vote will be nullified by the elctorate college. So please, tell my why I should vote. BTW, I plan to, but it won't make one hell of a difference...

Don't you think there's a problem when less than 500 people make the decision to go to war for a population of 300 million? How is it possible that those 500 are a proper corss-section of American views? I'll tell you this much, American politics are CROOKED. Lobbying should not even exist. Lobbying is corrupt as hell. The government should not let corporations into the whitehouse to protect their interests. We need to start having a democratic vote, and not an antiquated method that was designed for 1776.

Pfft. Telling me to go out and vote. The nerve.

Stand together my ***. My "representatives" don't represent ME. The Greeks seriously had the best government to date. You should read up on it sometime. They did the equivalent of drawing politicaians at random out of the phonebook, and changing them up often.

First, I don't know how you can assume how much I know and do not know by 2 lines, but hey I can maybe make out Ms. Cleo out of Freelancer...


And this is what I have to say about everyone who questions whether or not they should vote: Don't complain, and keep your *****ing to yourself.

Yup. Keep your *****ing to yourself, sure sounds like a democracy to me.

Oh, and I am against the war too man, I agree with the last part you said, just chill

Half of what you have to say is in voting...if you dont vote, you have the right to speak, but you really didnt do you part did you?

What in the hell are you talking about?

I agree with you. If you don't vote, you have the right of freedom of speech. But your opinion doesn't go very far if you did nothing to try and change the situation.

But there is another thing you have to consider, some of the people here may have been too young to vote during the last election. Therefore you have to give them the chance to vote before you can truely shoot down their opinion for not voting. Not saying what you said is invalid, but it's something to think about.

Everyone must have totally ignored my post or something. There are certain groups of people in the United States who CAN'T make a difference by voting due to the electorate college. I fail to see these individuals are "doing their part" by voting. They didn't "do" anything.

One glass desert, courtesy of nuclear weapons, coming right up.

Roach is a god, and unfortunately Ubuu, Freelancer's right.

To say that this didn't happen under Saddam's regime, we have to start 'what if'-ing. And once you do that, it ceases to become a debate, and continues to become an opinion.

"what if" Saddam was still in power. "what if" we hadn't interfered.

Besides, just because they'll plunge into a Civil War doesn't mean they'll be worse off. Sure, it'll be a tragedy, but will it be better or worse on the whole?

We came out of our Civil War (America) quite well, united, patriotic, and on average, doing quite nicely for ourselves. Granted, it was for different reasons, and the incidences in the war were different, but still, Civil War isn't always a bad thing.

Say the revolutionaries in Iraq take over for good. They eradicate all 'radical Islamics', and begin to build a working, free, safe, society. It's not impossible, especially with our help.



That's just my two cents.

Meh, new forums is confusing, what did I just do :/

You're lucky. I was about to shred you apart for simply quoting that same statement again. Ubuu, I said I was going to vote. It won't make a difference, but I said I would. I fail to see how I'm "doing my part" by doing something just for the sake of doing it.

If revolutionaries take over for good, they'll be united in hatred against the US. They'll form a revolutionary state in direct opposition to America, much like Iran.
It'll probably be anti-Ba'athist, too, so be far more fundementalist Islam than the previous secular socialists. But it will be a state united in anger against the US, and it will be a state more than willing to obtain weapons of mass destruction. This will be because of the invasion.


I agree that "what if"ing isn't particularly constructive, but let's indulge for just a moment.
If Saddam Hussein was still in power, things would be going on as normal. Iraqis would go to work, come home, and be happy. Iraq would be a stable country.

But they wouldn't be free from oppression Woudn't you rather have your country raped by foreigners?

Because as an American citizen, voting is one of your tools of making your opinion and beliefs known. Personally, I think it is also your obligation. My dad isnt American, he has lived here for 20 years ( I am sponsoring him soon, so I dont want to hear "Thats his problem."), he would give anythinig for your "waste" of a vote, because you may not see it, but many people and all people should feel that their vote is just as powerful as the next.

God, I am even quoting the wrong people.