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Finally saw Bladerunner
2004-09-21, 6:35 PM #1
It was the extended director's cut so apparently the ending was changed.

What was the ending like originally? The box cover says it was "uplifting" which really doesn't seem to fit the movie.

Oh, and spoiler alert of course (in case anyone else hasn't seen it) because I basically am asking you to spell out the ending for me so I don't have to hunt down another video somewhere. Only store I'm a member of now only had this version.

Since I already posted the spoiler thing I think I'll ask another question... Was the scene where he forced the replica to kiss him supposed to be romantic in any way whatsoever? It felt like a rape scene but they had this cheesy music playing so maybe they meant it another way... like he was forcing her to admit to herself that she was interested, which still sounds like a bad explanation given by a rapist who won't admit what they are. Opinions on this scene? Or was it just left out of the original as well?
2004-09-21, 6:44 PM #2
It was far from uplifting. Easily one of my favorite flicks.
2004-09-21, 6:54 PM #3
The ending is the same... :confused:

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Originally posted by Masq
...but they had this cheesy music playing...

Dude, that was Vangelis, some of the best music ever....whats wrong with you? :p
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2004-09-21, 7:07 PM #4
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Originally posted by gbk
The ending is the same... :confused:
From the box cover:
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Originally posted by Warner Bros
The story of Blade Runner is familiar to countless fans. But few have seen it like this. This new version omits Deckard's voiceover narration, develops in slightly greater detail the romance between Deckard and Rachael and removes the "uplifting" finale... Most intriguing of all is a newly included unicorn vision that suggests Deckard may be a humanoid. Is Deckard a replicant? As with all things in the future, you must discover the answer for yourself.
Glad I didn't read the box before seeing the movie because it would have hurt the film a lot by revealing the unicorn thing etc. Anyway, it certainly implies there was a different ending... unless whoever wrote the cover description had never even seen the movie, which has happened before.

Warner Bros... just when you think entertainment couldn't go further awry, a new sitcom premiers...
2004-09-21, 7:10 PM #5
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Originally posted by gbk
....whats wrong with you? :p


A LOT. Especially if you just now saw it. BladeRunner is hands down one of the best movies of all time.

One of the big differences in the directors cut and the original version, so I'm told, is that Deckard's narritave was edited out. Originally he had an ongoing voiceover throughout the movie.

But man... I love that movie.
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2004-09-21, 7:22 PM #6
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Bounty Hunter kills Andriods falling for one, he doubts the humanity in himself and in her.

It was a meh of a ok movie, One to watch on a rainy day for sure. To truly appreciate the movie. Is to understand it as it was back in the 80's. Judge Dredd is a better movie. Yeah im crazy. But if you want to compare action. JD takes the cake. Bladerunner, like I said.. Was a meh of a ok movie.. I just didnt get into it!

Whats so special about it? Sure harrison ford is in it. So what? Acting can be alittle bit better. Some top notch fx for that era. One guy killing replicants because they have gone against their programming and all AI is to be terminated. Whoopy doo! Sounds like the matrix did a few one too many plot theifts from multiple movies.

Then again so do other movies. Best movie(s) by my standards, Blackhawk down, Saving Private Ryan, and Braveheart.

Best series is Band of Brothers. All of which has soild plot, great story line, and a allstar cast of good actors. Probably is the same for bladerunner. Just I didnt get into the hype, and that I just dont see it the same way as you all. :o
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2004-09-21, 7:25 PM #7
I think the original version ended with Deckard and Rachel driving into the horizon in a convertible.

Here we go.
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Deckard joins Rachael in the elevator - he has found love with a replicant under the most unlikely of circumstances. The elevator doors close on Deckard and Rachael as they leave to escape the law.

The film ends here in the revised 1992 Director's Cut.

In a tacked-on ending, with a happy denouement, Deckard and Rachael have left the city and are driving in a police spinner through an uninhabited wilderness, although they appear to be soaring through clear blue skies -- toward Canada (northward, to freedom - from slavery?). [The scenes of their soaring over pristine landscapes were unused, second unit out-takes from Stanley Kubrick's opening montage in The Shining (1980).]

Deckard's final voice-over narration ends the film, explaining that Rachael was a special replicant without a pre-set termination date. But she still has a finite, indeterminate life span - the inevitable fate of all human beings:

"Gaff had been there, and let her live. Four years, he figured. He was wrong. Tyrell had told me Rachael was special: no termination date. I didn't know how long we had together. Who does?"
From here.
2004-09-21, 7:39 PM #8
Judge Dredd is a better movie? That's pretty harsh. Action sequences aside, Blade Runner was leaps and bounds ahead of JD. Maybe it's Sylvester Stallone with all his obvious failings. Maybe it's the philosophical depth of Blade Runner. Maybe it's a lot of things... regardless, I can't even put them in the same class.

Still, I have to say I didn't like Blade Runner to the religious extent some people seem to. The movie was incredibly dark. Maybe it was just the VHS tape I got of it, but I don't think so because the random flashes of light towards the end came through loud and clear. After watching the movie for an hour and a half I thought I could trust the director not to pull that kind of high contrast stunt (similar to the silence followed by a loud noise shock). My eyes were already straining to see through the murk of the film, and adding the bright flashes of light every few seconds towards the end wasn't suspenseful or powerful... it was just cruel.

I liked the characters. They were all pretty believable, even if that one male replicant looked kind of dumpy for what supposedly a genetically perfect being (not the blonde one). I loved the character Pris, with her Cirque du Soleil meets Harley Quinn make up and attire. And the main replicant's causes for killing were as believable as his causes for not killing. Great characters overall.

That alternate ending sounds horrid. :(
2004-09-21, 7:47 PM #9
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Originally posted by SilentSavur
Whats so special about it? Sure harrison ford is in it. So what? Acting can be alittle bit better. Some top notch fx for that era. One guy killing replicants because they have gone against their programming and all AI is to be terminated. Whoopy doo! Sounds like the matrix did a few one too many plot theifts from multiple movies.


The reason the movie is considered so good isn't jsut the acting, or the good FX, or anything like that (although ford is a great actor, but that's besides the point). The thing about it is manifold, but starts with the vision of the future itself. as you could see from the poll not too long ago, Bladrunner is, acording to the majority of massasians in the poll, the most compelling vision of the future. Think about the world today, and what's going on, and tell me you don't think its heading in that direction. And, the sets and visual effects made it very, very realistic, to me, and helped all that more to pull me into the movie and let me believe that this is real, not jsut some person's imagination, which is what any really good movie should do.

Ok, moving on, the second reason it is considered so good is the psychology behind the movie. Now, i haven't watched it in over a year, so i'll remain very general on this area, as i'm probably going to get it wrong if i go too deep. Anyway, the psychology of Deckard, the tactics of the corporation, and the replicant emotions or lack thereof, all seem very real to me, very compelling. Also, the psychological questions about deckard's own humanity, of the replicant's right to humanity, and the reality of emotions, and the capability for them to be truly expressed in something 'programmed' are all incorperated very convincingly in the movei, but i'm getting in over my head. I'll have to rent it or look for it to come on sci-fi soon.

[Edit] Just wanted to mention: yah, that ending sounds horrible. Sci-Fi shows the director's cut, i guess, sicne it ends at the elevator (they may have a crap load of horrible movies, but they get the good ones right:p). That ending just seems to go against what most of the movie was about. I really need to find how to make an origami unicorn, though.
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2004-09-21, 8:08 PM #10
I saw a few clips of Blade Runner with the voiceovers somewhere. I'm glad they cut them out. Although I *think* they let in on some information you would not have otherwise known.
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2004-09-21, 8:56 PM #11
Never seen it. think i will though, after reading this thread.
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2004-09-21, 9:30 PM #12
Bladerunner is an amazing movie. That is all.
Stuff
2004-09-21, 9:44 PM #13
Its sad that hollywood has made it so that some people cant appreciate a movie where things aren't blowing up every 2 seconds.
2004-09-21, 10:16 PM #14
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Originally posted by kyle90
Bladerunner is an amazing movie. That is all.


Yes, and the soundtrack is one of the best ever. Sometimes I just don't understand other opinions.
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2004-09-21, 11:28 PM #15
I think this is one of the very few instances, where if you think this movie sucks, your opinion is WRONG.
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2004-09-21, 11:30 PM #16
The "rape scene" is like that because Rachel doesnt have the emotional responses for a situation like that, neither does Deckard. They're both replicants, similar to how Batty and the psycho flipping girl have a juvenile romance.
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2004-09-22, 12:10 AM #17
It's never specifically stated that Deckard is a replicant (unless I missed that part). If he's human then the rape scene can be seen as him not viewing replicants as having the same rights as humans, so he could rape her or do whatever he wanted without consequences. Since he's spent a great deal of time slaughtering these things mercilessly, I don't think he'd have a problem with that either.
2004-09-22, 1:03 AM #18
All the original voice over did was spell out the fact that Deckard was a Blade Runner, Blade Runners hunt replicants, and they retire them, and this is killing them.

It was felt after a first screening that the audience (who can't have been paying much attention) didn't know what was going on - and didn't have the patience to wait until Gaff brought Deckard in to have the plot explained to them.

But Ridley Scott (Rightly) hated this intro - it was cheesy as hell and made it start off like a cheesy B-movie.

/Owns both copies on VHS and the widescreen directors cut on DVD
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2004-09-22, 8:37 AM #19
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Originally posted by Masq
It's never specifically stated that Deckard is a replicant.


It was never supposed to be. It was only implied that this was a possibility (although if I recall correctly, this implication was a bit less subtle in the book). Whether or not he is a replicant is left for the viewer to decide or wonder about on their own.
2004-09-22, 8:46 AM #20
The directors cut heavily implies it though...

...The unicorn dream was cut out of the original version, despite Gaff's reference to it being left in, but the obvious implication is that Gaff knows what's in Deckard's dreams, because he is a replicant.

Also, one of the 'signs' of being a replicant is obsessing over photos, the bloke in the interview near the beginning (I forget his name) does it, and if you look in Deckard's apartment, it is chock full of old photographs...

...and right at the start, Deckard's boss says that there are 6 'skin-jobs' escaped from the off-world colony, one died in the escape leaving 5. There are four escaped Replicants, Roy, Pris, Zora and the one whose name escapes me... and Deckard maybe makes ita round 5?

I remember there being other things too, for example, Rachel asks Deckard if he's ever taken a Voigt Kampf test, and he says not.

But I think those are the main ones....

/Too much time watching that film
2004-09-22, 8:57 AM #21
Ive never seen it, even though the video is sitting 10ft away in a cabinet
nope.
2004-09-22, 9:45 AM #22
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Originally posted by Boco
Ive never seen it, even though the video is sitting 10ft away in a cabinet


Then what are you waiting for?! Go watch it!
Stuff
2004-09-22, 10:08 AM #23
Quote:
Originally posted by Martyn
...and right at the start, Deckard's boss says that there are 6 'skin-jobs' escaped from the off-world colony, one died in the escape leaving 5. There are four escaped Replicants, Roy, Pris, Zora and the one whose name escapes me... and Deckard maybe makes ita round 5?


That was actually a mistake. It wasn't intended, and somehow they managed to completely forget to edit it out for the dirctors cut as well.
2004-09-22, 10:19 AM #24
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Originally posted by DSettahr
That was actually a mistake. It wasn't intended, and somehow they managed to completely forget to edit it out for the dirctors cut as well.


Yeah. There were five initially. Roy, Pris, Zhora, Leon. The other one was killed crossing an electrical field when the group tried to break into Tyrell Corporation.
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2004-09-22, 10:21 AM #25
Leon! That's the badger!

I checked all this out at imdb, and apparently it's to do with redrafts of the script - there's a lengthy piece about it all - there was another replicant, (Mary I think) who was written out, but not out of that conversation!

Good skills ;)

But yeah, I think Deckard's a replicant (as if you can't tell!)
2004-09-22, 11:57 AM #26
The original theatrical version had a different ending than the actual original ending which Ridley Scott put back in in his Director's Cut. Also, he was working on an actual definitive Director's Cut based on the movie he originally made to release in an ultimate box set which would include the new version, the original theatrical version, and a bunch of other versions and special features and crap, but there were legal issues because the billionaire psycho who owns Blade Runner doesn't like Ridley Scott.
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