Certain individuals in this thread:
http://forums.massassi.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25053

Are basically claiming that cops are always right and if you are issued a speeding ticket, that right there is a definitive determination that you committed the crime.

So please, post a link to every story (within the rules of course!) that show police corruption.

I got stopped by a bunch of L.A. cops. They beat me, but luckily, some guy videotaped it and I made headlines nationwide.

I'll start:

http://www.tribnet.com/news/projects/david_brame/

The police chief, who was constantly guilty of spousal abuse, etc., killed his wife and their kid before shooting himself in the head. Of course, his testimony and "expertise" was used in convicting thousands of people. I personally think all the cases in which he testified or issued tickets should be overturned and wiped from the record.

once i was walking around at night with some friends, cop stop us, and I get the breathalizer test... what's comical is the other two guys HAD been drinking that day, good thing i abhore drinking

Brian is the victim here. All the cops are corrupt. REVOLUTION!!!

http://www.karisable.com/crlebc.htm

On a bit unrelated note, did anyone seen the 1973 movie "Serpico"?

I find nothing funny about the allusion to a story related to the senseless beating of a human being, based on their color. Racism isn't funny, in ANY sense, past or present.

Sorry, I'm a little sensitive on that matter, since I grew up in a predominantly black community.


As far as speeding ticket thingies go, I've gotten a speeding ticket thrown out on me... By a very ignorant cop. He pulled my girlfriend and me over, and began to become arrogant towards me and my girlfriend. He started questioning her about whether or not she was my girlfriend, and if she was drinking. He has no right to ask her that, why? because she is the passenger and he pulled me over for SPEEDING. If it had been for somethign else, then yes, he had the right, but the prick didn't.

Turned out, that he wrote the wrong speed down on the ticket, he said I was doing 70 in a 50 zone, but it was a 60 zone. So he was wrong in his assumption that I was speeding. I went to the court the next day, and had it thrown out based on the cop's ignorance.

As far as any other corruption goes, I've only experienced it while with my black friends. I've been pulled aside in groups and watched my friends searched, for no apparent reason, aside from the fact that they were black..... Oh, and none of the white people in the group, including myself, got searched or questioned.

I'm guessing the ratio of black to white people in my area is around 3:2 and I still find that funny. Sorry, you seem to be a bit TOO sensitive. -_-

There are a couple of Oakland cops on trial right now for all the stereotypical dirty cop stuff.

I know I am too sensitive about racism. But I cant help the way I am. I HATE racist people. It's a skin color. 99% of all my friends are black, and I've seen them in situations where people have acted racist towards them...cops, people on the streets, during football and rugby games (players racist to another player)...

I blame it on growing up in a black community...If I grew up in a chinese community, I'd probably be more sensitive about racism towards chinese people.

I go to a school where it's 80% black and hispanics. I have many black and hispanic friends, I think most of our jokes are racist :p

To my black friend Eddie after vacation "Nice Tan!"

Hell my portugese friend calls me 'wop' and I call him 'spick'...it's all in good fun. People that try hard NOT to be racist end up being racist. The color of a persons skin doesn't make them different, I wish people would realize that.

Yeah, my white friends are the same. They use the terms nigga a lot, as well as its racist counterpart... But they dont use it in a racist way, only jokingly like you described. But even that sometimes bugs me, not to the point where I get actually angry, because they are my friends and I know them very well. But I can't bring myself to make the same jokes, or even laugh at them.

This thread is so not what I'd hoped the title was alluding to....

Once I saw some cops playing in the mud. They were filthy. Bastards.

sometimes on the weekends, i talk my girlfriend into dressing up like a police.... nerrmind.

I really dont have any dirty cop stories. Like I said in a thread last week, I really have lots of respect for 99% of all cops that I've met.

BUT there was one jerk that was trying to ticket me for a noise complaint when I definitely had a noise permit in my pocket. He and his cronies are currently trying to get the city to take it away because more than 20 people under the age of 80 might be together at one time for no reason other than hang out and listen to music.

this happened in MY hometown about 3 weeks ago, sick **** cop killing his family and then himself over a 500 dollar embezzlement... (my neighbor 2 doors down did the same thing but didnt set his house on fire: irrellevant but still ****ed up)

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=34657

Well, if you take out the clause that "cops are always right," you can just reduce that argument to the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent. It goes like this:

If A, then B.
B.
Therefore, A.

Or in our context:

If you are guilty, you will be ticketed.
You were ticketed.
Therefore, you are guilty.

Why this is fallacious is because it doesn't take into account that there could be multiple causes leading to B, not just A. For instance, corrupt authorities could lead to your being ticketed without guilt. So could an unintentional error on the authority's part, etc.

Of course the "cops are always right" clause would negate this, but really... I'm not even going to pretend that statement has merit. No one is always right.

Some more info on logical fallacies.
I wish my old favorite fallacy site was still up but it seems to be having problems.

And here are more than a few stories about victims of corruption, if you accept the website as a good source. You can find most of the names listed easily on major news sites, this is just a condensed form:
The Injustice Line

Here's another ongoing corruption news site, which I've surely been flagged for visiting:
Free-Market.Net

back in my day, i have gotten high with and in front of cops. not just one or two, quite a few of them.

i have also partied with cops at the police association. there were over 150 cops there. i watched well over 20 of them stumble to thier cars and drive home. they were visibly drunk.

About a year ago, I was on the freeway in the left lane passing tons of people. Then I came up behind a huge pickup truck just cruising in the left lane for no reason - NOT PASSING (which is required by state law -you cannot be in the left lane if you are not passing vehicles in the right lane). I waited behind him for a minute or two, then I got pissed, switched to the right lane, honked as I passed him, and glared at the driver.

BIG MISTAKE

It was a dirty cop (unmarked vehicle) illegally clogging up the left lane. He pulled me over (I had my girlfriend and her kids in the car with me at the time). He came up to the window and started accusing me of "blowing by at 80miles per hour." I told him I wasn't going 80 and that he should check his radar. Well... apparently he didn't get me on radar, he just "estimated" my speed based on his speed. I was angry at this point (well I was angry at him before for clogging up the left lane, but now I was even more angry because he pulled me over w/out even getting me on a radar gun!).

I told him he had no business clogging up the left lane and that the law clearly states that one must not drive in the left lane unless passing. I told him that if he was going to illegally give me a ticket for speeding when he doesn't even have me on radar, he should damn well give himself a ticket for using the left lane illegally.

He demanded my license, registration, and proof of insurance, and after going back to his truck for a few minutes he came back and flung it into the car. He then said, "don't try to make two wrongs into a right" and he stalked back to his truck and drove away.

And that is what is called entrapment (if he had given you the ticket)

Do police radars record and store data?

I'm not sure how long the radar records it, but they certainly make a record of it in their logs. Plus I'm sure the station has a record of every plate they've ever run and every driver license they've ever run.

I think they have access to the DMV database for plates and things like that

I know, I was saying that they record every time they run a plate, so they have a record of every time you were pulled over, regardless of whether you were actually issued a ticket, and certainly regardless of whether said ticket was dismissed in court.

You should come to Canada...On our freeway's, it's every man for himself :p Weeeeeeeeeee

I was once confronted, in my parents home, by the police, about a robbery down the street from my home. My mom was as ignorant of the law as I was, and she let them in the house when they asked in. They grabbed one of my shoes and tried to match it with prints that were left in the snow, leading away from the house. We didn't know they did this, until they returned my shoe. When asked if I committed the robbery, one of the officers accused me of "f***ing lying". The detective, who was also there, and quite cool, had to tell the officer to leave because he kept cursing me and calling me a liar. I was very suprised about the whole ordreal. I thought they were coming about a naked snowlady that we built in a neighbors yard that morning.

I was once arrested for assault (my father called the police on me for standing up to him and pushing him off of me when he was pushing me around), but the officer didn't read me my Miranda rights, and told me that I was just going to be held overnight and released to my parents the next morning (I won't even go into how I took the handcuffs off while in the back seat of his cruiser). I was naive enough to believe him. I was in jail for close to 24 hours, I didn't know my rights, and was never offered a phone call or the chance to talk to a lawyer before I was handcuffed again and chained to a group of criminals (some of which had been in jail for quite some time), and led into a courtroom to face a judge who treated me like a punk kid. I plead guilty at first, but my father, who was still drunk, yelled out and said no. The judge asked me if I understood that I was looking at up to 1 year in prison, and I said no. She changed my plea to not guilty. I later found out that the arresting officer greatly exaggerated the assault (I wasn't given the opportunity to see the specifics of what I was being charged with), and I was being charged with something far more serious than I imagined. The officer lied and said that my father was bleeding from the nose and mouth (all I did was push him off me and run into my room). I was then forced to move out of my parents house and in with my grandparents. I ended up moving in with a friend whose parents were teaching in South Africa for a year.

I don't want to give the impression that I feel victimized or any such thing, by the police, but the point is, we all make mistakes from time to time, and although I've caused my fair share of trouble, I was a good kid and never deserved these types of things. I got pulled over a few weeks ago (posted a thread about it, if interested), and even to this day, the cops scare me to death. I've been harassed by the police (in many ways not mentioned above) since I was a kid, and it's taken me a lifetime to get over the anxiety that it causes when I see a cop in my rear view. I was so afraid of getting pulled over, that on at least 2 occasions, I've actually floored it and outran cops, for fear of them accusing and/or arresting me.

Am I off subject? Sorry, I can't remember what the subject was about, and I don't feel like scrolling up.

I kinda sorta made a bomb threat on my school the other week..... Cops came to my house thinkin I was a terrorist or somethin. It was the same friggin cop that pulled my girlfriend and me over and I had the speeding ticket thrown out....I've ran into that same cop on so many different occasions its not even funny anymore.

umm... okay

I'll explain it. In my eyes, I was warranted for giving the threat..

Every year, at the beginning of the year, my college (Sir Sandford Fleming, NEVER GO THERE), gives out this white piece of paper, it's a waiver form. If you do not want to be on the "Student Health Insurance Plan", you fill out this form, and you send it in. If you do want to be on it, you don't fill it out, and they will automatically put you on it.

I did not fill out the form. And when school began, I went into the Student Insurance office, and got my own personal Insurance card, which is issued ONLY to people who are on the plan. People who are not on the plan do not get the card.

So, a few months go by, and my dental appointment comes up. I go into the dentist's office, and I get my cleaning done. A few weeks later, I get a notice in the mail telling me I now owe 400 dollars because my school refused to cover me.

Now, I had to go into the school and talk to some head lady of the insurance. She told me that there was a bunch of insurance cards issued out to people accidentally, and I was one of them. Meaning, I was not on the plan, and was not supposed to get the card.

My question to her was "You had a full f***ing year to notify me of that, and you didn't.. How in the hell is this my fault, if you didn't notify me, it's not my fault. It's YOUR obligation, if you make a serious mistake like that, to notify the f***ing person you sent it to accidentally, to not f***ing spend the damn money!!"

At this point, I was livid. I almost trashed her whole office, but I was holding back so much.

The lady turned to me, and in a "matter of fact" voice said "There's nothing we can do. Pay the bill yourself."

Right after she said this, I stood up, and leaned over her desk for a second, she leaned right back and looked up at me. I just walked out of the room, and as I was walking out, I said "You know, this f***ing school has caused me more emotional distress than anything in my entire life. I'm surprised I haven't tried to friggin bomb it yet"

I walked out of the room, and punched a large metal door pretty hard, dented it pretty bad as well (since ive got a pretty forceful punch) and got in my car and went home.

Reason for my extreme reaction? I've had so many instances at the college that have caused me to be screwed over for money, like this case, or emotionally distressed seriously. I've had people witness me spend a whole day upset, puking, with extremely high blood pressure, due to what one of the head ladies told me about me getting financial help, etc.. There's been too many to go into it here.

And that, of course, makes calling in a bomb threat completely ok.

How imature

Did I say that I thought it was "ok"? No, I just said that my actions did at least have some sort of merit. They've screwed me over too many times, and I finally blew up from it and just had enough. They're supposed to be a school... Not a bunch of morons, which they are.

Also, I didn't call in the bomb threat... I just said as I walked out that the school had caused me so much emotional distress that I'm surprised I haven't tried to bomb it or something. That's all. I didn't actually pick up a phone from somewhere and say "IM GONNA BOMB THE SCHOOL DIEAHAAHAHHA" then hang up.

Personal Experience:

-I've seen on numerious occasions, through stop lights, stop signs, and the causeway (a *really* slow driving area.. not only because of the 15 MPH limit, but the cops with radar guns that seem to spawn here) turning on their lights, passing the sign, light, or causeway, then turning the lights off.

Impatient bastards

-This one is no big suprise here, it's pretty common. Cops not busting you for that weed you had on you.. instead taking it for themselves and giving you a warning.

Potheads (Nothing wrong with that though.. I'm not one of those advocating it's legalization.. but there is nothing really so bad and wrong about it)

-Getting you for the cheapest things. Comeon!
Story:
My freinds and I were walking from one of their houses to the big apple. It's about a 20 minute walk. There is no curfew in our town. On the way is a local run appliance store. We see a cop in it. Ok. We are being quite and respectful to the houses around, so we just continue doing what we are doing - walking and quite chatter.
He follows us for a short while with his headlights off (ILLEGAL! This was before entrapment was made legal) and then flashes themn off. We are not doing anything wrong. We do not look supsicous. We are in the good part of town. Nothing bad ever happens here.

Questions us. Gets our parents info. Calls them all up. Exact quote. "Hi this is XX from the Windham Police Department. I'd like you to know you son is fine, but I found his freinds out here. I don't know about them, but if I was them I'd be causing trouble out here, so I just wanted to let you know what was happening" .. My dad is an anal *******. This really upset him and pretty much resulted in me not hanging out with my previously best freind who I saw almost everday... for almost a year.
So because this cop said HE WOULD BE DOING BAD THINGS, that means us innocent kids would be too. WTF

******* cop.
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I respect and really like cops. Previous to the above incident, me and my freinds on this midnight walks would try to get a cop to come up to us. We'd just talk to them about stuff. Exchange stupid stories. Ask silly questions. Whatever.

But that last cop ruined it for me. I really hate them now.
Everytime they do something I am critical of it. I get mad at them.

I understand that cops can be nice. I've been let loose on alot of stuff I could have been screwed over on. I just don't trust them now.

You should have paid the bill and sued them in small claims court to get the money back. You probably would have had a good case.

If that doesn't work, car keying is a great way to make your own karma.

That's the problem.. I live in a relatively small community, which, for a city, is pretty sad. It's incredibly hard here to get a job, as well as my entire family being fairly not well off money wise, and on top of that, living in the middle of nowhere with no vehicle (used to have one, but not anymore) or way of getting into town to even hand out resumes. (walking would take 3-4 hours just to get IN to town)

She probably would have been more courteous if you hadn't said, "You had a full f***ing year to notify me of that, and you didn't.. How in the hell is this my fault, if you didn't notify me, it's not my fault. It's YOUR obligation, if you make a serious mistake like that, to notify the f***ing person you sent it to accidentally, to not f***ing spend the damn money!!"

mmmmmmmrrrgh.... Perhaps I should have gone into further detail, instead of keeping the story a little shorter.

Actually, no Wolfy. I was curteous BEFORE hand as well. She was less than curteous with me throughout the entire time I was there, not just when I flipped out on her finally after long talks of getting nowhere with her, and rude replies.

If I was you and that happened to me, I would sue the city for false imprisonment and for false testimony (b/c the cop lied)