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Boycott for Equality
2004-09-25, 12:10 PM #1
http://www.boycottforequality.org/index.php

On October 8th, people are going to basically withdraw from the economy for a day in the name of gay rights.
Anybody going to do this?

I think I'll do the withdraw $80 thing. This is a totally worthy cause, especially since the government is taking away job protection from gays.
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2004-09-25, 12:19 PM #2
I don't think it's going to put much of a dent in anything...
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2004-09-25, 12:26 PM #3
STFU Vinny. -Me
Think while it's still legal.
2004-09-25, 12:29 PM #4
More power to them.
2004-09-25, 12:30 PM #5
I think I'll spend more that day.
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2004-09-25, 12:32 PM #6
Hmmm..... Sounds like a good time for a shopping spree. Less traffic. (mabye but probably not) Their boycotting for the sake of boycotting. Their not saying any thing or hurting the other side. What morons. :rolleyes:
2004-09-25, 12:33 PM #7
Wow, nazi Massassi unite!
D E A T H
2004-09-25, 12:35 PM #8
They can go ahead and do that... I don't think it is going to have any effect at all :rolleyes:
2004-09-25, 12:35 PM #9
Boycotts like that don't really work. One day really has no marginal effect on the annual sales report.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2004-09-25, 12:37 PM #10
Oh well, they tried. :\
2004-09-25, 12:37 PM #11
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Think while it's still legal.
2004-09-25, 12:38 PM #12
Very true. Entire countries boycotting us would be hard-pressed to hurt our economy, let alone gays (most of which probably don't even know about the boycott anyway). Aside from that, I think it's highly irresponsible to try to harm the economy that would otherwise sustain them the other 364 days of the year.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2004-09-25, 12:39 PM #13
Wow, what a bunch of jerks (except for a few of you).
Did you even look at the site? Of course it's going to make a difference. It's estimated that it could be a pretty big difference.

Thank you, DJYoshi. You may not have anything to lose, but at least you're helping out.
Another thing that's happening is a lot of supporters are gong to withdraw $80 each from an ATM. This will really add up. It would be great if you could do this.

Wookie, I'm disgusted at you. I guess that's what your "compassionate conservatism" is really all about though.

A bunch of posts appeared while I was typing this, that's why there's a lot of stuff I haven't addressed yet.
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2004-09-25, 12:54 PM #14
I typically never make any purchases from the US, and I don't buy any products made in the US. This is just like every other day for me.

Well, I have some US TV channels, but my cable bill's already paid this month. :p

Oh well, too bad.
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2004-09-25, 12:57 PM #15
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Originally posted by Freelancer
Very true. Entire countries boycotting us would be hard-pressed to hurt our economy, let alone gays (most of which probably don't even know about the boycott anyway). Aside from that, I think it's highly irresponsible to try to harm the economy that would otherwise sustain them the other 364 days of the year.

I think we'll have to wait and see then.
They're not trying to harm the economy, they're just trying to make a noticable impact.

Besides, what about the black bus boycotts? Were those irresponsible? They didn't seem very ineffective.

This is what it's all coming down to, folks. With no job protection for gays, the government has decided to openly discriminate against them. This is serious now. The GLBT community has taken too much, and I'm glad to see a stand like this. This is truly becoming a civil rights battle now, and the opponents can no longer claim to not be bigots.
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2004-09-25, 1:00 PM #16
Quote:
Originally posted by Flexor
I typically never make any purchases from the US, and I don't buy any products made in the US. This is just like every other day for me.

Well, I have some US TV channels, but my cable bill's already paid this month. :p

Oh well, too bad.

That's kind of what it was like for me when I participated in the Day of Silence at school last year. I don't talk much anyway, and I wanted to still help out my group in physics. Oh well. :)
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2004-09-25, 1:36 PM #17
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Originally posted by dry gear the frog
This is what it's all coming down to, folks. With no job protection for gays, the government has decided to openly discriminate against them. This is serious now. The GLBT community has taken too much, and I'm glad to see a stand like this. This is truly becoming a civil rights battle now, and the opponents can no longer claim to not be bigots.

This boycott though is like fighting a tank with a bow and arrow. At worst you'll do is scratch the paint. The entire state of Missouri would have cease any type of financial activity to even remotely make an impact on the American economy. If you want some attention, I suggest you have some sharper teeth.

You make allusions to the bus boycott in the 60s. That lasted weeks. And finally when the coffers started to run try, they capitulated to demands. Start causing people some grief and they listen.
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2004-09-25, 1:48 PM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by dry gear the frog
Another thing that's happening is a lot of supporters are gong to withdraw $80 each from an ATM. This will really add up. It would be great if you could do this.


All that's going to do is tap out ATMs. Sure, the banks will lose a bunch of money on one day, but these people still have accounts with the banks. That $80 is going to:

a) end up circulating back into the economy

and

b) end up back in the bank account in later transactions

I'm a jerk? At least I'm not doing something so childish as to deprive other people of use of an ATM.

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With no job protection for gays, the government has decided to openly discriminate against them.


I'm not advocating firing or not hiring someone because they're homosexual, but exactly what job securities do straight people have, outside of personal bias? I mean, the way you put it, you've impressed upon me that you're equating their situation with African-Americans' former lack of job security (i.e., the government allowed people to officially deny a person a job based on their skin color).
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2004-09-25, 2:16 PM #19
I for one am more than willing to support this boycott if it will bring an end to separate drinking fountains, restrooms and schools for hetero- and homosexuals.
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2004-09-25, 2:32 PM #20
I respect their right to protest and how they feel they're doing it, but they've got just about 0% chance of actually affecting anything economically.
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2004-09-25, 2:35 PM #21
It's probably like $79 or $78. *shrug*

I say maybe a "stronger" boycott.
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2004-09-25, 2:37 PM #22
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Originally posted by dry gear the frog

Besides, what about the black bus boycotts? Were those irresponsible? They didn't seem very ineffective.


Actually they were. It didn't last just one day. At the end of the boycott (the Montgomery one), the bus company lost almost 90% of its profits.
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2004-09-25, 3:26 PM #23
What point will this make? There are other ways to make your voice heard. It's kind of weird to choose such an irrelavent way to try and make a point.
"I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a person is, the more likely it is for that person to have extreme prejudices." -Clint Eastwood
2004-09-25, 3:33 PM #24
Strange. I see nothing on that site having anything to do with Job protection/security. The only bit i saw about /why/ they are doing it is the proposed Gay-Marriage Ban [which i personally think is a great start, but only if they follow it up with a Straight Marriage Ban and a Breeding Ban].

I would have liked them to actually list at least a few of the 'over a 1000' rights/privileges this would deny them. I know a number of them already, and agree with several of those in fact, but they seem to be rather lacking on the Rational/Informational and going just for the Hyperbolic/Emotive reaction.

Which isn't to say i do or do not support and/or not-support their goal, but based upon the details they actually give i find myself strangely Uninformed and Unconvinced, were i to base my opinion/actions on their site.
Also, I can kill you with my brain.
2004-09-25, 3:40 PM #25
I'm all for gay rights, I just think this form of boycott isn't a great idea and could be counter productive.
2004-09-25, 4:06 PM #26
Everyone will just buy extra stuff the day before and the day after...
2004-09-25, 4:33 PM #27
Quote:
Originally posted by dry gear the frog
Wookie, I'm disgusted at you. I guess that's what your "compassionate conservatism" is really all about though.


Yes because my spending more is really going to hurt homosexuals! muahahahaha

:rolleyes:
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2004-09-25, 6:54 PM #28
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Yes because my spending more is really going to hurt homosexuals! muahahahaha

:rolleyes:

It's the fact that you're doing out of spite against them.

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This boycott though is like fighting a tank with a bow and arrow. At worst you'll do is scratch the paint. The entire state of Missouri would have cease any type of financial activity to even remotely make an impact on the American economy. If you want some attention, I suggest you have some sharper teeth.

You make allusions to the bus boycott in the 60s. That lasted weeks. And finally when the coffers started to run try, they capitulated to demands. Start causing people some grief and they listen.

I agree with you, but the problem is, while you're saying that, other people are saying that what they're doing is too harsh.
Nothing will please anyone, it seems.

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I'm a jerk? At least I'm not doing something so childish as to deprive other people of use of an ATM.

The jerk comment wasn't directed to you.
They have every right to take their money out. They helped put it in in the first place. The use of ATM machines for one day is nothing compared to what is denied to GLBT people.

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What point will this make? There are other ways to make your voice heard. It's kind of weird to choose such an irrelavent way to try and make a point.

Name one better way.

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Actually they were. It didn't last just one day. At the end of the boycott (the Montgomery one), the bus company lost almost 90% of its profits.

What I said was poorly worded, but I said they weren't ineffective, which means they were effective.

About the job protection thing, it looks like for now they won't be losing them after all:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/09/092404civServ.htm
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-09-25, 7:01 PM #29
This issue isn't even about whether gay people are immoral.
It's about personal freedom. A shop should be able to fire who ever they want, when ever they want, for what ever reason they want. Their shop, their decision. Maybe some black guy won't hire me cause I'm white, it's his decision. I may think him an idiot but I don’t have to right to force him to let me work for him.
2004-09-25, 7:02 PM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by dry gear the frog
They have every right to take their money out. They helped put it in in the first place. The use of ATM machines for one day is nothing compared to what is denied to GLBT people.


Of course they do. It's their money. But the fact is, in the end, withdrawing $80 won't make a bit of difference.

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Name one better way.


The fact is, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals (or does the T stand for transgender?) have no real power in any industry. Whereas the majority of black people took the bus (be it more convenient, or their financial situation prevented the purchase of a car), GLBT people really don't have a prevailing presence in any one single industry.

I mean, sure, if they stopped buying for an entire month, it would be noticed. But a single day will have no real effect, because no economist will mark it as a loss: what they didn't buy that day, they'll be earlier or later.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2004-09-25, 7:18 PM #31
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
This issue isn't even about whether gay people are immoral.
It's about personal freedom. A shop should be able to fire who ever they want, when ever they want, for what ever reason they want. Their shop, their decision. Maybe some black guy won't hire me cause I'm white, it's his decision. I may think him an idiot but I don’t have to right to force him to let me work for him.


http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html
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2004-09-25, 7:22 PM #32
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
This issue isn't even about whether gay people are immoral.
It's about personal freedom. A shop should be able to fire who ever they want, when ever they want, for what ever reason they want. Their shop, their decision. Maybe some black guy won't hire me cause I'm white, it's his decision. I may think him an idiot but I don’t have to right to force him to let me work for him.

Curses to the National government for stopping stupid stuff like "blacks need not apply." What the hell has this country come to...?

:rolleyes:
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2004-09-25, 7:23 PM #33
Obi--that's got to be one of the more ignorant things I've seen you post.
D E A T H
2004-09-25, 7:24 PM #34
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Obi--that's got to be one of the more ignorant things I've seen you post.


Please stop calling people ignorant. It's so annoying now....
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2004-09-25, 7:33 PM #35
My school keeps having presentations about why gays are so much better than straights and why we should be nice to them. They keep quoting the statistic that 10% of people are gay. I find that number rather high. 1 in 10? You, your two siblings, your parents, your grandparents, 2 aunts and an uncle. Now one of them is gay.
2004-09-25, 8:07 PM #36
Wolfy, I still think it's worth a try. You made some very good points, and I am not informed enough to argue with you.
I still am not sure it's as pointless as you think though.

Mikus, your example doesn't work because you need to take 10 random people.
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-09-25, 8:11 PM #37
Quote:
Originally posted by Echoman
Please stop calling people ignorant. It's so annoying now....


I suppose I should. By now it's a well known fact that Obi's...well I'll start not calling people ignorant now.
D E A T H
2004-09-25, 8:25 PM #38
You do have to give him credit for having an awesome name though. :)
It's not the side effects of cocaine, so then I'm thinking that it must be love
2004-09-25, 8:54 PM #39
Quote:
Originally posted by dry gear the frog
Mikus, your example doesn't work because you need to take 10 random people.


I don't think so chief. If I have 25 people in my family statistics say at least 1 should be gay but... nay.
2004-09-25, 9:00 PM #40
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
This issue isn't even about whether gay people are immoral.
It's about personal freedom. A shop should be able to fire who ever they want, when ever they want, for what ever reason they want.


I sincerely hope you get an employer just like this.
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