Last night I saw the ANH DVD. When I watched the Han-Greedo-Cantina scene, I was really confused. I saw a few lasers spawning from random places and then the smoking corpse of Greedo. I have heard that both shot at each other, but I didn't understand that for myself at the time.

WTF HAPPENED IN THE SCENE?

I still don't like this scene - just due to the fact that Han's head and body shift so suddenly.

Looks like a 2 year old did the editing job on it.

Han and Greedo shot at the same time (Han shot twice, Greedo once). Han dodged Greedo's shot. Greedo died.

Why would Han need to shoot twice?

Yes, if you put the scene on Slow it looks like two shots, but I think it's just to make sure we see the bolt. Han did not dodge Greedo's shot, he flinched a bit. It's not as bad an editing job as the one in the original Special Edition, to be honest.

Though they could have just left the scene alone. :p

cant be as bad as the editing job on ep1, where in the begining the droideka fire at obi and his qui-gon (sp?) and they start running and all of a sudden shift about 5 feet to the right and keep on running. its on the first scene with the droid control ship thingy.

I believe they used force speed in that scene that you are refering too. Yet I don't think most people understood that...

At least that's the way I was always led to follow that scene.

Yeah, I didn't catch onto that until about the 5th time I saw it. You don't exactly see many Jedi using the force to speed up their actions in the other films.

What about the editing job on the ANH Jabba scene? The one where Han inexplicably walks on Jabba's tail, in a failed attempt to fix a scene that just plain wasn't filmed with the final character in mind in the first place.

Besides just plain not making sense, it was poor editing at best.

It made sense to me. Jabba was initally not a slug, but a human like creature. That scene was cut from the release of ANH up until the SEs, when it was added back in.

Of course, since Jabba has now been established as a slug, we can't very well have a human playing him. So the slug was placed there. The problem though, was that in that scene, Han walks around Jabba. This is easy with a human, but a slug? The solution is to have Han step on Jabba's tail. The edit always looked pretty decent to me, and the explaination holds up. I think the whole scene was a great addition, I just dislike the Jabba's they've used.

I really didn't like the SE version of the Jabba tail scene, but I like the DVD version.

The greedo scene was strange to say the least.. greedo shoots the wall... and after the shot there is a mark on the wall. The camera goes to the barman and the crowd of people who look around and then back to han. The wall mark is gone :-\

The joys of continuity.

I know why the walking on the tail was made necessary by the way it was originally filmed, but why would the character Han decide to walk on Jabba's tail?

It makes no sense in the scene. It's nice they finally gave us the scene, but they had to sloppily edit it to stick it in.

Why? Because he doesn't give a damn. Look at his character throughout that movie. He does alot of things simply because he CAN. He doesn't exactly care about the consequences at the time. I can't really expain it... but it does make sense.

What doesn't make sense, is that Jabba barely reacted to it. RotJ Jabba would have had Solo killed on the spot, or atleast wounded.

And in episode 1, I always thought they were using force speed.

Remember what's happened since ANH though.

Han dropped his cargo because he was being boarded by Imperials shortly before ANH.
He explains this to Jabba, and tells him he has a charter (Luke, Obi-Wan, R2, and C3-P0) and that he can get him the money then.
Han joins the rebellion.
Between ANH and ESB, a bounty hunter hired by Jabba catches up with Solo.
Jabba at this point, has had enough. The bounty is placed on Han's head.
Han is frozen in Carbonite.
Fett takes Han to Jabba.

Alot happened between ANH and RotJ that would change Jabba's attitude towards Han.

Absolutely i thought that was Force Speed in TPM - i saw it years ago and went, "WOOT!!! FORCE SPEED!" I mean it wasn't an accident, it had to be manipulated to achieve that, ergo it was done for a reason. And then when I saw Send in the Clones I was going berserk - saber locks! Red stance fighting! All i needed was a backstab... hey, I'm not a nerd, seriously...

O and i thought the SE 'Han steps on Jabba's tail' was a great way to deal with the whole thing and well done... but i haven't seen what the DVD has done with it yet...

Phoenix, sorry but...I don't buy that for a second. If you're apologizing to some huge boss slug who is wicked pissed at you already, do you go stomping on his tail? Of course not. The ONLY reason that happens is because of the way the scene is originally filmed.

And the "Han does whatever he feels like" is crap too...its inconsistent with the new crap in the Greedo scene. If Lucas wants this new Han to 'not give a crap what he does' then why does he go to some much trouble butchering that scene with Greedo to avoid having Han appear to be a murderer? If Han "Does whatever he feels like" then he would have blasted Greedo and that would have been the end of it.

You can't have it both ways. Its clear that a lot of these changes just plain weren't thought through.

Jabba was awesome as a puppet (or whatever he was in RotJ).

Seeing ANH reminded me of how awesome SW aliens are . . .

"My friend doesn't like you."

"I don't like you either."

"We are wanted men! I have the death sentence on 12 systems!"

"I'll be careful..."

"You'll be DEAD!"
"This little one isn't worth the trouble. Now come, let me buy you a drink..."
*yell/crash/bang*
*lightsaber ignite*
*swing*
*scream*
*arm on floor+blood*

Is it scary that I remember that by heart?

/\ I do it too.

I didn't think the Greedo/Han shot was so bad. It could have been as simple as Han's blaster bolt hit Greedo as he was pulling his trigger, thus making him shoot a little off. Dunno, I'll have to watch it again.

Han was angry at Jabba for sending a little squirt to talk to him instead of talking to him himself, so he steps on his tail.

I like the Han Solo Trilogy, by Anne Crispin. It explains Han's past very well...