Let me guess, he got head from an intern too?

OMGWHERE?!!?!?

I think Kerry sometimes has a hard time explaining his point of view. I'm like that too. I think he also tries to think every issue through from all sides. Again, I can be like that too. Not as much as I used to be though.

Forgive me if I don't take the cheating accusation seriously. Matt Drudge has a reputation for being more sensationalistic than accurate.
He could have pulled anything out of his coat.
The campaign guy who tried to defend him didn't do a very good job though. "This is another case of Republicans distracting from the issue", well sir, your saying that was itself a distraction from the cheating issue.

Ha, Wookie linked to Drudge. Drudge!

Just out of curiousity, do you still think "Kerry said blatantly false things over and over"?

Bill: Actually, Drudge did invent and promote a Kerry-intern affair that turned out to be pure fantasy. Like most of his exclusives.

finity: He publishes blatently untrue rumors (1, 2, 3) and alters photographs (1). To be blunt, Drudge makes **** up. He's the very model of a modern yellow journalist.

What's wrong with Drudge?

The RNC link is valid enough, though

He's on the right and thus will not be accepted as a legit reporter.

The Drudge site shows a video (which I do remember seeing in the debate but didn't realize he was doing anything against the debate rules) so whatever his personal opinions may be they are irrelevant. He also posts the rule that makes it clear that Kerry broke the rules no matter what it was that he pulled out of his jacket. In the clip it does appear that he is unfolding whatever it was but it is hard to see. I only bring it up because I think it's ammusing.

And yes, Ictus, I do believe that Kerry said things that are false over and over. The $200 billion, Bush telling us there's no money for [things], and the subway being shut down most prominently stick in my mind right now.

Dude, it's a pen. It writes. It wasn't responsible for Bush debating like an imbecile. Although, in the interests of equal time for partisan wackjobs, I have to point out that Bush was being cued via a tiny microphone in his ear. Really.

As for the rules, Bush broke them when ever the little red light started blinking or he interupted Kerry or the moderator. The networks broke them when they did the split-screen thing. It's not important.

Actually, the networks weren't bound by the rules. I did notice that the few times Bush spoke to his time limit he finished within a second or two of the light flashing. I agree that Bush's performance had nothing to do with whatever Kerry pulled out of his jacket although I wouldn't call it imbecilic. Even if it was a pen that would have broken the rules. Bush broke the rules once when asked to be given a chance to respond to Kerry's rhetoric and another when he said something about trying to put a leash on his daughters (:eek:). Not to imply that he may not have broken them other times. In thirty-two pages of rules I'm sure many of them could have been broken. I only pointed it out for humor's sake. I thought you would see that.

I see your attempt at humor, Wookie, but you probably made people defensive when you used the term "cheating." It has pretty negative connotations.

I used that term because that is the term being thrown around by the anti-Kerry crowd.

Yeah, it's really because he's right wing.
Calling him a reporter is like calling Michael Moore a reporter.

I didn't mind Bush making the comment on his daughters. It was a human moment for both of them, and in a way the way he made the comment even though it broke the rules made him come off as more likeable.
I noticed the flashing lights too, but I didn't really mind. As long as he doesn't press the issue too much if Kerry does the same thing. It's only a few seconds over, and he's allowed to finish his thought.

Oh, here's a little humor: Bush's notes that he took during the debate

Sure, it's unoriginal and not exactly witty, but it gave me a few chuckles.