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Anyone here with an All-in-Wonder...
2004-10-03, 7:48 PM #1
... that they would be willing to part with?

Yeah...

I'm getting an Xbox (Don't even start. This isn't a thread for that, and I've firmly made up my mind.) sometime within the next month along with Halo 2 in november. Now, I have this uber small TV (think 13") TV in my room. I don't really have a problem with it. However, not but 8 feet away, sits my computer with it's glorious 21" display. Now we come to why I'm asking my above question. I personally think it would flat out rock to be able to play my Xbox on a 21" screen every now and then. When you factor in that it'd also place me closer to my 5.1 inputs, it becomes pretty attactive for something to do every now and again.

So, while I haven't decided that I NEED an All-in-Wonder, I have been told that a card such as that would be the only way to route the Xbox to the monitor. Thus I've been exploring that possibility. So far, everything I've run across has been about a 150 bucks USD. Not surprising, but more than I'd be willing to pay considering I more than likely would not be able to use many of the other features.

The other concern is how it'd play with my Radeon 9600XT. If I get one that's AGP, obviously the 9600XT has to come out to use the All-in-Wonder. But what does that do in terms of drivers and swaping the two in and out? What if the All-in-Wonder was PCI. If that poses a problem, the next solution would be to stick it in my older PC and just hook up the basics.

In short, I have the capabilities to use one, I just need to know what options are open to me. That's all I'm doing, exploring my options. I haven't got much else to do, and this is interesting right now.

Going back to my first question... If you have one you'd part with relatively inexpensively, I'd like to know about it.
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2004-10-03, 7:52 PM #2
I have an ATI TV Wonder VE that I don't use. It has a composite input, I used to use it to play my N64 on my computer. I would be willing to part with it...
2004-10-03, 7:58 PM #3
Just use a capture card instead of an AIW, so you don't have to part with your 9600XT. A TV-Wonder is a great option, and there are many others (it's hard to go wrong with anything based on a BT chip). I owned a Pinnacle PCTV Studio card before, and the quality was excellent, especially at hi-res.
2004-10-03, 8:03 PM #4
I wouldn't be parting with it. I'd be swaping the two in and out. Failing that however, which I'm pretty sure wouldn't work well anyway, I have another computer I could stick it in.

CoW: What would be the lowest I could pay for one and still get something decent that'll get me what I want? Would you also be kind enough to dig up a link to one for me?

finity5: How much would you want for it if I decided to go through with this?
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams
Are you finding Ling-Ling's head?
Last Stand
2004-10-03, 8:09 PM #5
This is what it is exactly... I can let it go for 30$. PM me if you want to negotiate a price.
2004-10-03, 8:32 PM #6
You can keep the entire PC out of the loop with these devices:

http://www.toysnjoys.com/access_xbox_3.html
http://www.midwest-games.com/micxboxxboxv.html

Try to dig up some reviews on these things and see it they are better than the Video capture devices.
2004-10-03, 8:41 PM #7
A lot of cards come with an s-video hook-up, I know mine did. I don't know if your XT did. Then all you'd need is the cable (5 bucks at Wal-Mart--my friend just got one.)
D E A T H
2004-10-03, 8:45 PM #8
Quote:
Originally posted by finity5
This is what it is exactly... I can let it go for 30$. PM me if you want to negotiate a price.


****, for $30 I would buy it... if I didn't already have VIVO on my 9600XT :P Pheonix, I'd go with that ^^^ If I'm not mistaken, ATi uses the same Theatre chip on their AIW's and the TV-Wonders - if so, the quality is pretty good. I use mine for playing my PS2 using my computer screen. I prefer it to a TV.
2004-10-03, 8:47 PM #9
You could always buy a new TV also.

Flat Screens are pretty decently priced nowadays.

I bought one of these:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2178148

at our local Walmart (Where I conveniently work in the Electronics Dept) for $188 CAN. I use it for my Xbox/PS2 and absolutely love it.

Check your local stores to see if you can find one.

Edit: Oh you said relatively inexpensive :D my bad.
2004-10-03, 8:52 PM #10
Yeah, the offer is most definately tempting. Give me a day or two to mull it over finity5.

Yoshi, my card has the VGA, DVI, and S-video ports. When I bought it, I wanted to make sure I could plug it into whatever the hell I wanted to. However, from what I've come to understand, I can't simply jack the Xbox into the S-video and have it display. At least, that's what I was told by a friend of mine who's deep into Hardware related things. The logic I've found behind it, would be that I can hook it up, but the computer/card has no way to interpret that as an 'IN' signal, route it back out the VGA, and display it on the screen. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe my friend just didn't understand what I was talking about at the time. The subject came up as an offshoot of what we were talking about, so we only discussed it momentarily.
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Last Stand
2004-10-03, 8:53 PM #11
If you could get a hold of anyone's spare s-video cable for just such a thing, you could always find out yourself.
D E A T H
2004-10-03, 9:00 PM #12
Quote:
Originally posted by phoenix_9286
However, from what I've come to understand, I can't simply jack the Xbox into the S-video and have it display. At least, that's what I was told by a friend of mine who's deep into Hardware related things. The logic I've found behind it, would be that I can hook it up, but the computer/card has no way to interpret that as an 'IN' signal, route it back out the VGA, and display it on the screen. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe my friend just didn't understand what I was talking about at the time. The subject came up as an offshoot of what we were talking about, so we only discussed it momentarily.


That's true, but I've seen a lot of newer Radeons with VIVO functions and they were not explicitly advertised on the box or anything. Chances are, if yours didn't come with a purple breakout box, then your card doesn't have capture capability.

Also, if you've installed the Catalyst drivers and it didn't install capture drivers for you, then your card doesn't support it.
2004-10-03, 9:05 PM #13
Quote:
Originally posted by MaD CoW
That's true, but I've seen a lot of newer Radeons with VIVO functions and they were not explicitly advertised on the box or anything. Chances are, if yours didn't come with a purple breakout box, then your card doesn't have capture capability.

Also, if you've installed the Catalyst drivers and it didn't install capture drivers for you, then your card doesn't support it.


Yeah. No purple breakout box. And I'm pretty sure I never saw anything about capture drivers.
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams
Are you finding Ling-Ling's head?
Last Stand
2004-10-04, 8:05 PM #14
One final question I have...

The TV-Wonder that finity5 would be willing to sell me, can that work in conjunction with my Radeon? I'm assuming that the answer is yes since I don't see any video out ports on it. So the TV-Wonder would more or less be adding capabilities to my Radeon. Right?

I'm sure I phrased that quite badly, but knowing you guys, you probably will understand what I mean.
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams
Are you finding Ling-Ling's head?
Last Stand
2004-10-04, 8:55 PM #15
Yes, it is a whole seperate PCI card.
2004-10-05, 10:04 AM #16
It's more like it's adding capabilities to your computer, not to your Radeon. Your computer will be able to decode an incoming signal. The Radeon doesn't handle any of that when you use a separate capture card.
2004-10-05, 10:24 AM #17
Heh, ive got a 28 tv in my room, because my parents got a new one a few years ago and i inherited the old one...
nope.

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