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33% of Interviewed Brits Think Mussolini Never Existed
2004-04-06, 4:55 AM #1
Seemed an appropriate topic what with that dictators thread:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=508517

Summary [of 2069 Interviewees over the age of 16]:
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Real people that some believe never existed
Ethelred the Unready King of England 978 to 1016 - 63 per cent
William Wallace 13th-century Scottish hero - 42 per cent
Benjamin Disraeli Prime minister and founder of the modern Tory party - 40 per cent
Genghis Khan, Mongol conqueror - 38 per cent
Benito Mussolini, Fascist dictator, 33 per cent
Adolf Hitler - 11 per cent
Winston Churchill - 9 per cent

Real events some people believe never took place
Battle of the Bulge 52 per cent
Battle of Little Big Horn Scene of Custer's last stand - 48 per cent
Hundred Years' War 44 per cent
Cold War - 32 per cent
Battle of Hastings, 15 per cent

Fictional characters who we believe were real
King Arthur, mythical monarch of the Round Table - 57 per cent
Robin Hood - 27 per cent
Conan the Barbarian - 5 per cent
Richard Sharpe, fictional cad and warrior - 3 per cent
Edmund Blackadder - 1 per cent
Xena Warrior Princess - 1 per cent

Fictional events that we believe did take place
War of the Worlds, Martian invasion - 6 per cent
Battle of Helms Deep , Rings Trilogy - The Two Towers - 3 per cent
Battle of Endor, The Return of the Jedi - 2 per cent
Planet of the Apes, the apes rule Earth - 1 per cent
Battlestar Galactica, the defeat of humanity by cyborgs - 1 per cent</font>


I'm somewhere between amused fascination and horror as a history major.. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/redface.gif]

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2004-04-06, 5:44 AM #2
But, but the Battle Of Endor was true! If it wasn't true all those poor Ewoks would be under the oppression of the Empire!

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2004-04-06, 5:52 AM #3
Battle of Endor would have been much cooler without Ewoks. Ewoks ruined ROTJ for me.

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2004-04-06, 6:22 AM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by FastGamerr:
Battle of Endor would have been much cooler without Ewoks. Ewoks ruined ROTJ for me.

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what would you have had instead of ewoks?

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2004-04-06, 6:25 AM #5
Wookiees.

I could go on ranting, but that would be off-topic [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-04-06, 6:25 AM #6
Non-Ewoks.

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2004-04-06, 6:28 AM #7
"Benito Mussolini, Fascist dictator, 33 per cent
Adolf Hitler - 11 per cent
Winston Churchill - 9 per cent"

If it weren't for those three I could be amused, but that is just really sad.
2004-04-06, 6:33 AM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">of 2069 Interviewees over the age of 16 .... Cold War - 32 per cent</font>
Some memory these people have.

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2004-04-06, 6:46 AM #9
Confession Time.

Britain isnt as smart as you hoped.

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2004-04-06, 6:46 AM #10
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Battle of Endor would have been much cooler without Ewoks. Ewoks ruined ROTJ for me.</font>


Don't worry. The Rebels wiped out the Ewoks by blowing up the Death Star.


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2004-04-06, 6:48 AM #11
http://theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The ewok population is effectively extinguished. Most were killed in a mass-extinction event affecting life on their homeworld, due to unavoidable fallout and debris from the destruction of the Death Star II. The Rebel Alliance is culpable but perhaps innocent. All ewoks would have been better off if the tribe which made contact with the rebels continued with their original plan of killing and eating the commando team's leaders. However once the shield fell and Jerjerrod began his attack, the ewok's best interests were served by the Alliance naval forces bringing about a swift destruction of the battle station; the chance of ecological devastation ameliorated by partial evacuation and rehabilitation is better than near-instantaneous obliteration of the whole moon.</font>


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2004-04-06, 6:59 AM #12
Where did they hold that poll? A junior school? I very seriously doubt that 11% of people in the UK dont believe that Hitler existed.

And Ethelred the Unready??? Well who here has actually heard of him honestly?

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2004-04-06, 7:09 AM #13
There's entirely too many people who don't believe that Hitler and Mussolini existed, that the Battle of the Bulge never took place (amongst the other famous conflicts there), and you know the people who said that Endor was real were the geeks who haven't seen sunlight since that one horrible day when they were five...

Seriously... the Battle of the Bulge? What the hell are these people smoking? The worst part is, its more than likely their fathers/grandfathers who were fighting in it, and now they don't even believe that it HAPPENED? If the human race were to be extinguished right now, I would not complain. Seriously. To be ignorant in such a manner is just offensive to those men who gave their lives. Sure, you don't have to know the minutia of every conflict in human history, but dear GOD at least be AWARE of them. I mean, really, 1944 was only 60 years ago, people. *sigh* The sad part is, that poll is taken in Britain, and (if the Massassi brit squad will correct me if I'm wrong) on Sept. 15th, they celebrate Battle of Britain day... I wonder how many brits think that THAT never happened. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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2004-04-06, 7:16 AM #14
I dunno, Gonk, I think you're being pretty offensive to the Rorirrim who gave their lives at Helms Deep.

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2004-04-06, 7:16 AM #15
Britain is the America of Europe. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-04-06, 7:20 AM #16
Hey, if they want to look all Norse and then not have the funny horned helms, they can just kiss my shiny metal *** . :P

The only one I'd keep would be Eowyn, because she was hot.

Aside from that, let 'em get run over by the Oliphaunts.

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2004-04-06, 7:21 AM #17
Trust me, Gonk. I know your frustration. This poll sickens me too. I bet there would be similar numbers for the children of the U.S. who are 16+

The human population does need a serious cleansing.

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2004-04-06, 7:28 AM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Krokodile:
Britain is the America of Europe. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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hehe

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2004-04-06, 7:30 AM #19
Meh you take these things too seriously. Most likely a lot of people lied about what they believe in just for the fun of it.

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Sweet irony...
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2004-04-06, 8:06 AM #20
I mean, really.. don't you think asking a teenager if Hitler existed is a little insulting to their intelligence? I'm pretty sure that's where the 11% came from. Out of spite.

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2004-04-06, 8:15 AM #21
Yeah there's probably alot of those that were just people pretending not to know. Like at the begining of my sec4 history class the teacher passed around some questions we had to fill out so she could get a general idea of our strenghts and I pretended not to know who the prime minister of canada was. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-04-06, 8:37 AM #22
Who's the Prime Minister of Canada?

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2004-04-06, 8:55 AM #23
Hehehehe, Black Adder, awesome.

BTW I thought there was a person like Robin Hood? Or someone that he was based off? And wasn't there really a King Arthur?

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2004-04-06, 11:13 AM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by FastGamerr:
Wookiees.

I could go on ranting, but that would be off-topic [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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This is probably what prompted you to say this, but it was originally supposed to be wookies. In the original draft of RotJ, the second Death Star was constructed in orbit around the wookie homeplanet.

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2004-04-06, 11:18 AM #25
How does wookies relate to WW2 and history? Bah...

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2004-04-06, 11:24 AM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:

BTW I thought there was a person like Robin Hood? Or someone that he was based off? And wasn't there really a King Arthur?

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I don't know about Robin Hood, but there are a lot of historians who believe that King Arthur of Camelot was based on a real person. Of course there are those who don't to... it really comes down to who you want to believe.
2004-04-06, 11:29 AM #27
King Arthur was loosely based on a Celtic chieftan in around I believe the 5th century or so(may be way off there). At least some people think. It makes fine sense though, assuming most fiction is based at least a little on fact.

And there was almost a real King Arthur of England, son of Henry VII, brother to Henry VIII. Arthur died before it was his time to be king though.

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2004-04-06, 11:37 AM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth:
King Arthur was loosely based on a Celtic chieftan in around I believe the 5th century or so(may be way off there). At least some people think. It makes fine sense though, assuming most fiction is based at least a little on fact.

And there was almost a real King Arthur of England, son of Henry VII, brother to Henry VIII. Arthur died before it was his time to be king though.

[This message has been edited by Darth (edited April 06, 2004).]
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It's the COMMIES I TELL YE!. Oh...yah...

Yah I saw this...really shows the great British intelligence I'm always hearing about [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]. Seriously though, a lot of Americans would answer similarly IMO. But, it is their right. Which is why Staline should take over, NO RIGHTS, NO DON'T TAKE ME AWAY, THE WORLD MUST KNOW THE TRUTH!

*carted off*

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2004-04-06, 11:38 AM #29
Considering the survey was conducted in Britain, I think this is the saddest one of all:

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Battle of Hastings, 15 per cent</font>


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2004-04-06, 11:56 AM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Michael MacFarlane:
Considering the survey was conducted in Britain, I think this is the saddest one of all:

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For a moment I thought Vietnam. Operation Hastings, though.

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2004-04-06, 12:00 PM #31
Dang i wonder if they believe in BeoWolf and Grendle as well [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-04-06, 12:07 PM #32
You see it's idiots like these that help lower the world's perception of Britains's failing IQ levels.... (admittedly we're failing much better than previously thought, given the results here...)

Naturally, I wasn't interviewed [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]. Good job really, as I could have sworn that the Battle for Helms Deep was real... damn those realistic computer games... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-04-06, 12:23 PM #33
In the centuries that followed Arthur's death, fanciful histories fleshed out the few reliable facts about the 'King' with a whole body of literature that created an enduring legend. Foremost among these was the Historia Regum Britanniae (History of the Kings of Britain), written in 1135 by Geoffrey of Monmouth. Also in the 12th century, the monk Nennius, in his Historia Brittonum (The History of the Britons) listed Arthur's battles against Germanic invaders--the Saxons and the Angles--during the late 5th and early 6th centuries. Later, in 1160, the French writer Chretien de Troyes established King Arthur as a fashionable subject of romantic literature by introducing medieval chivalry and courtly romance into the tales. Not only did de Troyes create many of the knights, including Sir Lancelot, he also used the more lyrical sounding Guinevere as the name for Arthur's queen and chose Camelot for the name of his court. It is hard to determine King Arthur's actual identity since the title Arturus he was given was less a name than simply a title meaning, "Bear."

On a related note, the story of giving Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake is likely based on an old celtic ritual in which a sword was thrown into a lake as a votive offering. Archaeologists find swords in lakes all the time.

Note: This information all came from a video game web site, Age of Kings Heaven. If I tried I could probably find information saying Hitler and Churchill were fake and one of the most important battles in Viet Nam was the battle of Helm's Deep.
So... take it with a grain of salt. I somehow doubt any of us were alive 1500 years ago, so all accounts are fallable.
2004-04-06, 12:48 PM #34
I think the Cold War is more of an arguable thing. How does one define a war? When one country declares war on another? If so, we haven't been to war since WW2.

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2004-04-06, 12:54 PM #35
Robin Hood was real, however the storey that is commonly known today is not.

Robin Hood was a thief and murderer whos only interest was making money.

The so-called "maid" Marien (sp?) was actually a prostitute if my memory serves me right (if not a bar wench).

As for the others charectors in the storey I cannot honestly say.


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2004-04-06, 12:59 PM #36
Wait, so Britain is a real place?

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2004-04-06, 1:06 PM #37
*Shoots Crimson in head with high powered shotgun*

YES! Britain is a real place, although, Scotland is not. The Romans managed to convince the skirt wearing men of the time into moving to the top of our fine island and then built a wall to keep them there. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-04-06, 1:07 PM #38
So I'm told, Crimson [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] - failing that, it's a rather small chunk of land just out of reach of Europe, that some of us are currently standing on [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

Or maybe it's just a myth. Yes a "myth" - I suppose we are the stuff of legend (even if nothing overly "exciting" has happened here recently [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif] )

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2004-04-06, 2:46 PM #39
That reminds me of that gem of a movie, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead.. ab-so-lute-ly brilliant/hilarious.

[paraphrase]
So, we're going to England, what do you think of that?
Well, personally i don't believe in it?
Believe in what?
England.
How can you not believe in England?
It's a hoax, a mere conspiracy of cartography..[/paraphrase]
[i apologize for having probably very badly paraphrased that..]

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2004-04-06, 7:51 PM #40
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Britain is the America of Europe.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
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