Well they did it, Ken Bigley's been beheaded in iraq

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/08/uk.hostage/index.html

And it looks like Billy Connelly's carreer might be down the pan too

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/3717462.stm

Damn it

its all good hes in heaven

as for those ****s who cut peoples heads off i would like to ****ing torture them to no end... Sick ****s... name an instance in history when any other religion thought beheading civilians (not soldiers or people that disobeyed) was right? **** them and their Allah

God...look at the world.:(

To die in battle by bullet or blast is one thing. To have your head severed from your neck...

God help us.

This is why I think they should actually show the videos of the beheadings here in the US.

Everyone got so mad at the US because of the prison scandal and the pictures were released.

Imagine the uproar that would happen if the media showed the beheadings.

We need to kill those son of a b*tches

No, we Americans must show our clear moral superiority by giving them a fair and speedy trial. Of course, with the evidence at hand, there's no doubt that they'd be sentenced to either life or death, but it is important to show that that's a major difference, and that we aren't ignorant barbarians at all, as many opinions I've been starting to hear claim.

hahahaha, yeah, maybe if we serve zarqawi an arrest warrant he'll give himself up and go on trial. maybe he didn't know?

good thinking!

I think I'll go do a few people a favor...

Why would you condemn an entire religion because of a few radicals who claim to belong to said religion? God, you just can't see it, can you? Christianity doesn't exactly have the rosiest history either, you know. Thousands have died because of it or in the name of it. And that was actually somewhat sanctioned by the religion, whereas terrorism is not exactly sanctioned by Islam. (It is in small amounts in the Koran, though.. /shrug).

And Delphian, I don't understand that logic. That's how people used to fight wars..

No, I didn't suggest that, but just running up and slaughtering anybody that looks like they commited such horrendous acts would be just as barbaric. I was implying more toward capturing them alive, as the army has capability to easily capture insurgents without killing them (flash genades come to mind, along with a plethora of other non-lethal weapons anti-terrorism forces are normally equiped with). After all, it is very rare for the police to corner a hardened serial killer, and then fail to capture them alive. People not willing to be taken alive can still be.

Several centuries ago, such things wouldn't have been that uncommon everywhere in the world. It's too bad some places are still stuck to those dark times...

Some people just have no honour at all. Those murderers are barbarians, not any believers.

Ha. Hahahahahahaha! Bwahahahahaha! That's how it works when you're in a war situation

Yeah, it's funny, I was expecting an "America has terrorists too" equivocation before an internet military expert in this thread. These forums are so unpredictable!

Flashbangs aren't going to force someone to surrender. You can still fight while blind. Even if anti-terrorist forces had non-lethal weapons (police forces are just indroducing them to their own inventories...), combat forces don't.

A fair and speedy trial? Hang them from the highest tree!

Yeah, fair and speedy trial...that'll work.

Besides that, unless I'm mistaken, all war criminals are subject to tribunals who have pretty much complete leeway with their subjects.

Yeah...LOL a fair and speedy trial.. That'll do a lot.

"OH, They relentlessly take innocent people and kill them in a barbaric way... But we don't want to go get them NOW... Lets wait until we can properly find out their exact whereabouts, find them, then bring them back here and put them on trial...I mean, there's nothing to stop them from taking MORE innocent lives in the meantime....."

Brilliant plan.. Just brilliant.

What was the first reaction by the United States and Britain once the world trade center's were hit by planes? To go in and bomb/assault the **** out of Iraq... Yet, now they're capturing innocent people and slaughtering them, and you want them to hold back and do nothing?

LOL

Ok, I'll come back and ask this question when the terrorists steal one of your family members, behead them, and post the video for everyone to watch and enjoy. THEN I'll see your reaction. BecausE I know it won't be so optimistic "Lets go and bring them to trial yessssss!!" No.

Kill them. Kill them NOW. Before it's too late....OOps, we're already past that point now, aren't we.

its not liek theres a 'few' radicals ruining it for the greater good of their religion, its an entire sect. I said it before and I will say it again these people radical or not in the middle east believe that terrorism is warfare. And beheadings are condoned. If any other religion did this we would never hear the end of it. The Koran unlike the bible does not teach compassion and mercy. It teaches to be peaceful with those around you if they offer peace. When we took the 'holy land' and gave it to the Jews (who have no homeland) they believe this is a holy war worth sacrificing their own lives for. Seriously they are crazy, for example how much impact on the world would you have strapping a bomb to yourself and walking on a bus? None, you a ****ing insignifacant flea on the realm of the universe that deserves to burn in hell. Yet they think it was the most righteous act ever committed and will reap the benefits on their way to heaven. THese people ARE ****ed up. No other religion has ever gone to these extremes especially with the sick manical nature of beheadings by a man with a sharp object as a way of death. The guillotine, the noose, the atom bomb were all one thing, this sick act of an excuse for a 'ransom' is ****ed up. Those people who believe in this should go to a place worse then hell.

Sorry for my rant I just don't understand that there are no leaders of Islam and the muslim people besides Al-Queda...

It's hard to read your posts.

you cant make any sense of it?

Um, the only part of that that would take longer than normal is the trial part, and their ability to behead people would be greatly reduced at this point. So, your logic makes no sense. :\

well this sucks...


Hurrah. 3 cheers for the war on "terror"

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Amen, Clan.

Snoop, stop talking, because it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Just.. stop. It'll be better for everyone.

I was going to post something profound in this thread but the stupid is too overwhelming.

So...it's all over for Billy Connelly, eh? He just Steve Irwined himself.

And you wonder why they hate us? You my friend, are an annoying, undereducated, idiot American. Congradulations; you caused 9/11.

JediKirby

and that is why im glad to be canadian

Do you even KNOW what you're talking about? Beheadings have been a rationalized method of death for millions of years by every known country ever. Not to mention, the Christian Bible condemns a large number of people, such as the Iranians during the holy purges. Where entire families were slaughtered, and only young boys were spared, only so they could work the fields for the priests. On top of all of this, Al Queda isn't even a sect of religion, it's a gang. A group. A military. They only back themselves up with their bible.

JediKirby

The beauty of America, of the UN, is that people like you can say this without being shot in the forehead.

Barbarics met with Barbarics is total chaos. It's what seperates us from the middle east. It's what makes America more complex as far as a militant country. It's what makes us humain.

JediKirby

Ah, Billy Billy Billy....you had some good moments....brief, brief moments...

A. I'm not american.

B. If you attempted to shoot me in the forehead, or even mentioned the idea that you wanted to, and you were within a reasonable distance (within my grasp), youd better run before I beat the **** out of you.

C. I guess that World War 2 was humane? Hitler - Met with barbaric assaults.. DDAY... Subjecting literally thousnads of men to be slaughtered for the greater good. Defeating a barbaric man, with a barbaric assault, with barbaric consequences. This is no different.

You give me an example, where a dictator or an evil person comitting atrocious crimes, has been brought to justice of the same means, and somemthing bad has resulted from it.... And I MIGHT consider changing my mind. And Saddam Hussein doesn't count, for the simple fact that the whole war on Iraq wasn't even a well planned movement in the first place.

No other religion...?

^resumed what I was going to say.

Where?

oh ****.
**** those pigs and their christian, god is on our side bombs landing on civilians, severing thier heads, and then they shrug their shoulders and say it's part of doing business.
**** them and their god.

I'm with Wolfy. Last time I read, I don't think I saw that anywhere. Also, was the Spanish Inquisition Catholic based? I'm gathering that it was and I really consider that a kind of seprate religion from what I believe.

Around king arthur times, specifically. The Catholic and christian churches both had seperate conquests to Iraq, Saudi-arabia (It was known as a different name at this time), seria, and egypt. They burned entire countries to the ground, blew entire nations to bits, collecting what young boys they could to slave for them.

This is all backed by the Egyptian's careful documentation, and of the sudden drop off in culture during these times.

And as for naming a time where a democratic approach was taken to war: Hirojima, The strike just after pearl harbor, by the way, these are all before the UN existed. Heck, even Osama got an offer to peace talks in 91...

JediKirby

jEDIkIRBY, you 'my friend' can burn in ****ing hell. Saying I caused 9/11 is VERY ****ING offensive you ****ing loser piece of ****. I am pretty ****ing opionated towards Al-Queda, but if all of you want to sit on your ****ing asses and justify their actions in our MODERN age, nevermind medieval anal pears. Yes we were all barbaric AT ONE ****ING point in time but in these days where diplomacy has obviously established far more then beheadings or running 3 ****ing planes in to buildings. I am sorry I come off as uneducated, I graduated from a Catholic Perochial School (Our Lady of the Lakes) and yes have been in a Catholic biased environment my entire life. Simply because I am mad that they had to kill an INNOCENT civilian for there ****ing Allah makes me mad. Yes we bomb the **** out of their ****ing homelands but its for a good reason. They started this ****, there people haven't condemned it, and we will continue in the name of securing our freedom. You have to understand I am more angry then anything and beheading people on camera as it if it were nothing to those *******s is disgusting. Please someone show me a military/religious sect that is this disgusting and I will turn my hatred towards more then just Islam.