http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=5&u=/nm/20040402/od_nm/life_barbie_dc

This is an article about how children in New York can now where whatever clothes they want, blah blah good for them who cares. What I find interesting is this:


A 15-year old lesbian? What is society coming to?

Many of these teenage lesbians or bi's are simply buying into the trend of homosexuality. Alot of them will grow up and mature and realize that they are actually more attracted to the opposite sex.

It pisses me off to no end that being heterosexual is a minority in my school.

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Most girls are naturally touchy with each other... its not really lesbian its just the way girls act sometimes.

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in response to Raoul's post: at least, that is what some think including myself. we have no way of knowing this until it happens however.

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[This message has been edited by Crimson (edited April 05, 2004).]

I know, but everyone is like "Guess what, I'm bi" or "I'm gay" . It pisses me off SO MUCH. It's sick when about 10 kids in the entire highschool are still virgins. The rest do it often or are pregnant, or already have kids. Sick. OMG LIEK I AM BI! DID YOU HEAR SHAWN AND BILLY WENT OUT OMGz.

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Also I think the bigger issue here is the insanly ridiculous lawsuit that come of this. Kids shouldn't be wearing shirts that say "Barbie is a Lesbian" to school. It's a place for learning not a forum for some confused teenager's angst riddled rebelling. Uniforms are the way to go for schools. It eliminates borders between rich and poor and also chicks look hot in school uniforms.

And to SAJN: Don't worry it's a fad. Like every other fad, it will soon pass once the media gets tired of queers and moves on to something else.

[This message has been edited by Raoul Duke (edited April 05, 2004).]

Death to uniforms I say!

People at my high school regularly wore things much worse than that. These people just really need to chill and realise people have the right to dress the way they want even if it goes against their backwards views.

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[This message has been edited by Flexor (edited April 05, 2004).]

Seriously. "barbie is a lesbian" isn't exactly appropriate to wear to school. "NOBODY UNDERSTANDS ME! WHY CAN'T THEY TREAT ME LIKE A REGULAR PERSON! IT'S BECAUSE I AM A LESBIAN WAHHHHHHH!" THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!" Omg liek STFU plz. kthxbai!

The white, straight, american is a minority. That is sad. Not being racist or anything. But I mean...WTF.

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You may have the right to dress how you want on the street, but not at school.

But they should.

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WHY?? School is supposed to be a place of learning and business! Not a teen hangout!

Would you expect to wear whatever you want to work?

Another stupid tradition that needs to be abolished.


How does dressing in a specific way prevent you from learning? It's not like they put verbs and multiplication tables on school uniforms. The way you dress is an expression of self, and I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to express yourself everywhere you go.

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It could also be an expression of religion or political orientation, like... a head scarf

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So what if she is 15 ? I dont see what difference it makes... Most 15 year olds are interested in dating and all that stuff. So what if she wants to date chicks instead of guys ? I fail to see how a 15 year old lesbian is any less acceptable to society when compared to a 30 year old lesbian.

Flexor; if "Barbie is a Lesbian" might not affect your learning... but if all the chicks were walking aroung in two inch long mini skirts and halter tops the guys wouldn't learn much. I agree she should be alowed to wear that shirt but a dress code still needs to be efforeced.

Wow, you're so PC it sickens me.

I'm not saying that a 15 year-old who likes girls is something weird, strange, or socially unacceptable. I'm just saying that a 15 year-old who declares herself a lesbian before she has even finished puberty is a little hard to swallow.

School uniforms can be bad. Personally, I wish I could wear a suit and tie to school every day, but it's not the uniform. I feel more confident with a tie.

...right, why did you even mention 'white' then?



..why not? When you were 15 would you have considered yourself heterosexual or undecided?

[This message has been edited by Jaiph (edited April 05, 2004).]

Most kids consider themselves heterosexual until otherwise. They aren't sitting around waiting to find out if they will be gay or straight.

I am 15, heterosexual.

I was never interested in men, I never will be. How do I know for sure? It's me. I know me.

Oh and Jaiph, I said white also, because even though it's off topic, it's still true. It's hard for me to go a day without hearing a group of people talking in Spanish. Or the kids at school who switch between Spanish and English in the middle of a sentence. That pisses me off. Just so you don't get what they are saying.

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[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited April 05, 2004).]

Of course, but how was the Barbie shirt in violation of the school's dress code, let alone subversive?


-Fox

So why can someone at that age consider themselves hetereosexual but somehow they aren't old enough to decide if they are homosexual?

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Suddenly all of a sudden like a freaking Tamogachi, or Pokemon, the new fad is being bi/gay. It's rediculous. kids are trying so hard to be "unique" and "different". WELL THEY AREN'T! They are just plain annoying.

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I just don't think you should call yourself a communist before you learn what the government is.

...I think learning an entire government and learning that you want to make sweet sweet love to a person of the same sex is a bit different.

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It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Or perhaps society is more accepting now and those who would have previously concealed attraction to the same sex no longer feel afraid to. Either way I don't see why on -earth- it should make you this angry, it's ridiculous.

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It was a metaphor.

(To Jaiph)

It really isn't. They don't want to be accepted, they want to be more then that. They run around "Look at me, I'm bisexual!" "look, over here, look at me! I want attention!". There is no reason it shouldn't piss me off.

They don't seem liek they were ever afraid of being accepted. They are just attention whores.

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BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited April 05, 2004).]

I'm just going to say that I agree with most of what SAJN_Master has said, and I think that political correctness is really doing our society a huge disservice and should be stopped. I'm not going to comment any further, because I don't like flame wars and I've gotten myself into too many of them using snap judgement.

Poor analogy. Learning a system of government and subsequently following it is quite different than determining your own internal feelings what sexual orientation you are.


-Fox

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BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

You got my point though, which makes it a good analogy

Er, yes you are.
You are making distinctions based on skin color. Anyway, I don't quite see the point of this thread when there's already a nice, 3 page one on the same topic that's still thriving.

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Dictionary.com just slapped my around like a red headed step child.. Well I still didn't mean to. Because I'm not. :/

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It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!

Okay, many opinions to post here, I'll try to make it short.

Yeah, in my view, I suppose a 15 year old usually doesn't have the "life experience" (I don't mean maturity) to make a choice on their sexual orientations. Sure, there are several things that will alter this choice, but I think firstly, a person is born with this attraction, it's something imbued in his genetic code, and many support this theory too. So, subcounsciously, I guess a person could decide to be "gay", but they don't make it a counscious choice until their whole genetic heritage kinda unfolds depending on their upbringing, experiences and whatnot.

One view cleared.

Second, Dress Code.

Useless, Completely useless. Of course, there's a degree of common decency, and that's usually for the people in a said area to decide.

Different areas bring different cultures. by being very stereotypical, I could say that spaghetti tops and strings aren't going to be really something major in small towns, or in heavily religious villages. likewise, larger cities have a much broader culture, and usually, this big pool of world knowledge has dominant traits that erupt on just about everyone. Of course, there -are- exceptions (since people can't see the grasp the silent concept that every statement has exceptions), but generally and stereotypically speaking, the dress code is the school/city's business, and should not be forced upon the students and townspeople. Instead, I say they hand out surveys with possible restrictions on dress codes, like height of skirts, top strap width, and so on, so they're true to their region.

And I don't think a girl dressed in sexy clothes disrupts learning. Yes, we do look, but looking doesn't imply staring, and thus the attention span of such a sight is often very short. the girl walks by or sits, and all goes back to normal. the people distracted by this permanently are also people who will be distracted by anything, and that's A.D.D.

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* Wolfy goes around singing "I'm too sexy for Seb's body"
* Cave_Demon steals Seb's underwear (underwear stolen: 39)

That's funny I don't see marriage anywhere in this thread

Oh yeah, and saying "That man is black" to a black man, is making a distinction based on skin colour. OMQ RACIST

/me is a prophet.

Before too long, dictionary.com will change its definition of "racist" to 'caucasions'.



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So it would seem that pesky hetero fad is going out of style, very interesting...

Usually the only reason for a girl to proclaim herself a lesbian like that is to get guys to drool over her. Alot of people know same-sex stuff gets alot of attention, and they love to exploit that.

Who cares if a random girl is a lesbian/bi? Why rub it in someone's face, especially in school? Shall I rub it in their face I'm hetero?

It's just that bandwagon thing that's been in effect since humanity was made. People bandwagonning against Bush, people bandwagonning on homosexuality, etc. Most of'em probably don't even know what they're talking about.

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I have passionate hatred of Political correctness. I say whatever I wish, and if it offends someone, then it's too damn bad. People have got to get thicker skins, or so to speak, and not take everything so seriously.

On my term papers, I never write he or she. That's basically pandering. I simply use "he" when referring to a generic human. I also use they.

e.g. "so-and-so is coming here; they should be along shortly."

using

"so-and-so is coming here; he or she should be along shortly." just sounds incredibly stupid. Who the hell speaks like that in real life?


my style worked for previous generations, why does everything have to change now?



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I'm not buying that b/c what about bi people? do they have both the so-called gay gene and the straight gene? You can have only so many genes, and any more would result in downs syndrome or something similar.



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