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U.S. Election
2004-10-30, 3:16 PM #1
I thought this would make for an interesting poll:
I was just curious who you all thought was going to win the upcoming election.
If you are a Bush supporter for instance but you think Kerry will win, please choose the Kerry option.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2004-10-30, 3:17 PM #2
What about the candidates for whom I might actually cast a vote?
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2004-10-30, 3:18 PM #3
hm... yea I forgot about them. give me a second and Ill add them.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2004-10-30, 3:18 PM #4
i believe bush is going to win.
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2004-10-30, 3:19 PM #5
This poll is about who you think is going to win, not who you're going to vote for.

I sure wish I lived in the same happy happy wonderland as you if you seriously think Nader or anyother other than the big two have any chance whatsoever of winning the election.
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2004-10-30, 3:19 PM #6
I want kerry to win.. but bush is going to :(
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2004-10-30, 3:23 PM #7
I believe Bush is going to win, and I want him to.
2004-10-30, 3:26 PM #8
I'm not sure. It's gonna be close.

Bush has rich, upper-class folks and the majority of the religious right wing behind him, but Kerry is gaining support from middle-class folks and.. well, I'm not sure who else. The majority of central Florida, I think.

Although since they're both as****s, I think everyone should vote for Nader and make them both think about what that could mean.

I don't like Bush, and Kerry seems okay, but I don't feel like comitting myself to a winner.

But I'd have voted for Kerry anyway. :P
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2004-10-30, 3:27 PM #9
Quote:
Originally posted by edicimoh
Bush has rich, upper-class folks and the majority of the religious right wing behind him, but Kerry is gaining support from middle-class folks and.. well, I'm not sure who else. The majority of central Florida, I think.


I am middle class, and I am not religious, and I support Bush.
2004-10-30, 3:35 PM #10
Hence the majority part ;)

I honestly have no idea who's going to win at this point.
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2004-10-30, 3:38 PM #11
That's pretty much what I was trying to say. It couldn't be more up in the air right now.
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2004-10-30, 3:44 PM #12
Bleh read it too fast, my bad.
2004-10-30, 3:50 PM #13
I'm an independant, and 16. But, I don't like the way Bush is going through this country, and I don't think any other country likes it either. I would vote for Kerry. The thing is, I don't think he'll win.

Bush gets my vote to whom I think will win this year's election.

(P.S. To all 18-35 year olds, get out and vote this November 2nd.)

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2004-10-30, 3:58 PM #14
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2004-10-30, 4:02 PM #15
Why have the option to vote for anyone other than Kerry or Bush on this poll? None of those other guys have even the slightest chance of winning.
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2004-10-30, 4:06 PM #16
I uhh...I....whew..........

*10 seconds later*

uhh....you see, the War on Terrorism is uh...
2004-10-30, 4:08 PM #17
I think Badnarik wins.
VTEC just kicked in, yo!
2004-10-30, 4:08 PM #18
I've come to like this site: http://www.electoral-vote.com

Don't get to excited about the frontpage results. I've seen both Kerry and Bush up at any given time but I think it's a neat "tool". What I do like is that despite the fact that the site has an anti-Bush bent to it, it keeps that out of the "informative" areas of the site.
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2004-10-30, 4:11 PM #19
I'm surprised, but I actually voted Badnarik. Just because he's probably more likely to dedevelop the government.
2004-10-30, 4:12 PM #20
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Originally posted by Jereiaki
(P.S. To all 18-35 year olds, get out and vote this November 2nd.)


Just curious why you're only encouraging 18-35 yo to vote?
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2004-10-30, 4:42 PM #21
I believe that Bush will be victorious on the electorial battlefield. I voted for him in 2000, but won't be voting for him this year.
2004-10-30, 5:00 PM #22
Because they have to realize that it makes no difference once the person they voted for didn't get elected.
2004-10-30, 5:14 PM #23
Well, I still want to believe Kerry can win. It might do you good to have some new people in the administration.
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2004-10-30, 5:17 PM #24
I hate bush, i think he has ruined every that america stands for. he also jacked up the economy, foreign policy, and my knife. whats even worse is he is trying to get all the crazy religous people, by being really religous. i hate that ***************** ***** ***
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2004-10-30, 5:22 PM #25
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Originally posted by Ewoklover
he also jacked up the economy


Yes. It was all Bush's fault. It had nothing to do with things outside of the president's control and we weren't in a recession before he was elected. :rolleye:
Pissed Off?
2004-10-30, 5:28 PM #26
Quote:
Originally posted by edicimoh
I'm not sure. It's gonna be close.

Bush has rich, upper-class folks and the majority of the religious right wing behind him, but Kerry is gaining support from middle-class folks and.. well, I'm not sure who else. The majority of central Florida, I think.

Although since they're both as****s, I think everyone should vote for Nader and make them both think about what that could mean.

I don't like Bush, and Kerry seems okay, but I don't feel like comitting myself to a winner.

But I'd have voted for Kerry anyway. :P


Bush's support isn't from upper class people alone. He has quite a lot of support from all classes. The breakdown between parties isn't so much based on class as it is on Race and gender. Bush carries the White vote by well over 60%, gets ~40% of the Hispanic vote and somewhere around 10% of the black vote (These numbers taken from the 2000 Exit Polls and current polls). Democrats pick up the the remainder of each group.

The middle class don't favor Kerry or Bush exclusively (see above para), but in the South they've been favoring Bush. Along I-4 in Florida Bush has been leading by over 7% and it's said that so lonh as a Republican leads in this area by more than 4%, he has the state.

Anyway, Bush is going to win by a surprisingly large amount in the electoral college. He should have a near majority or be a little over 50% in the Popular vote too. I don't see Kerry being able to pull this election off in the next few days, Kerry's base just isn't motivated by Kerry if you know what I mean.

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I've come to like this site: http://www.electoral-vote.com

Don't get to excited about the frontpage results. I've seen both Kerry and Bush up at any given time but I think it's a neat "tool". What I do like is that despite the fact that the site has an anti-Bush bent to it, it keeps that out of the "informative" areas of the site.


That is a handy site, check it occasionally myself. Problem is that the guy who runs the site shifts states based on any poll results, which leads to a very volatile and inaccurate map overall (Zogby is a horrid State Poller as are many universities and some others.) And yeah, he does have a bit of an anti-Bush bias. His articles make this pretty clear and if there's more than one poll on a state he'll usually pick the one that is more favorable to Kerry (seen it happen a few times, not sure if it's luck of the draw or him.)

This site is probably the best for poll coverage IMO:
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/GENERAL/CAMPAIGN/2004/polls.php

Run by an Independant guy in Massachusetts, a Swedish Democrat and an Albertan Libertarian. Nice mix, leads to good results :)

Their forums are good too for analysis too, once you get passed the spin by the users on either side.
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2004-10-30, 5:31 PM #27
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Originally posted by Wookie06
Just curious why you're only encouraging 18-35 yo to vote?


Well, America does have a bad voting record.
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2004-10-30, 5:31 PM #28
:mad: bush is still one of the worst presidents ever, i mean even nixon was better.
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2004-10-30, 5:32 PM #29
Quote:
Originally posted by Ewoklover
I hate bush, i think he has ruined every that america stands for. he also jacked up the economy, foreign policy, and my knife. whats even worse is he is trying to get all the crazy religous people, by being really religous. i hate that ***************** ***** ***
see this video


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2004-10-30, 5:42 PM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by Ewoklover
:mad: bush is still one of the worst presidents ever, i mean even nixon was better.


Well aside from the fact that Bush isn't a bad President, I resent the implication that Nixon was a bad President. Read up on Nixon, he was a good President. He's much maligned for one minor scandal that he if nothing else fessed up to and accepted the consequences. He was a rare sort in his time and nowadays, his sort is teetering on the Brink of extinction.

Read up on Nixon. He did loads of good things that are continually unfairly overshadowed by that one incident.

Anyway...

Care to explain why you hate Bush so much? I've never been able to understand why people hate Bush... Probably has something to do with their bad spelling and grammar.
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2004-10-30, 5:59 PM #31
Some people hate Bush because we're a world power, and some people believe that Bush is abusing that power.
2004-10-30, 6:02 PM #32
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Originally posted by Jereiaki
Some people hate Bush because we're a world power, and some people believe that Bush is abusing that power.


Fair enough, but one must admit that Bush has done far less power abusing than other nations/people.
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2004-10-30, 7:03 PM #33
Quote:
Originally posted by edicimoh
I'm not sure. It's gonna be close.

Bush has rich, upper-class folks and the majority of the religious right wing behind him, but Kerry is gaining support from middle-class folks and.. well, I'm not sure who else. The majority of central Florida, I think.

Although since they're both as****s, I think everyone should vote for Nader and make them both think about what that could mean.

I don't like Bush, and Kerry seems okay, but I don't feel like comitting myself to a winner.

But I'd have voted for Kerry anyway. :P



America doesn't have an upper-class.
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2004-10-30, 8:32 PM #34
Cobb, hands down.
2004-10-30, 8:39 PM #35
Comedy write-in fourwood option.
2004-10-30, 8:39 PM #36
Quote:
Originally posted by Avenger
Yes. It was all Bush's fault. It had nothing to do with things outside of the president's control and we weren't in a recession before he was elected. :rolleye:


He has still handled it much worse than previous presidents. The budget deficit, income, and unemployment figures speak for themselves.
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2004-10-30, 9:11 PM #37
We will know who wins after tomorrow night. GO PACKERS!

Even though it hurts...I think Bush will win. He has obvioulsy done a good job based on some recent polls and gaining black votes. Had he not worked on that, even though I dont see where he has made an attempt to appeal to us, he would have lost.
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2004-10-30, 9:41 PM #38
Okay, I admit it, I was joking when I voted for Nader...

I know what you mean, Ubuu... it doesn't seem to make sense, but Bush support seems unusually strong considering the seemingly bad reputation he has. Perhaps his supporters are just too stubborn to recognize his mistakes. Maybe we'll have to leave this country.
2004-10-30, 9:53 PM #39
99% of the voting-age in my school (approximately 150 students) are voting Bush, more or less because of the fact that Kerry simply can't state where he stands. I'd rather have a president who at least knows what the hell he is doing, than one that is going to question his every move and back down on everything. Bush is actually willing to come out and simply state what he thinks, instead of dancing around the issue, on some things. Kerry seems to do a lot more dancing to me.

Oh, and Bush is totally against abortion in all forms. So there ya go in my book.
2004-10-30, 10:15 PM #40
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
America doesn't have an upper-class.

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