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Thought found to change water crystals
2004-10-30, 7:08 PM #1
http://www.hado.net/

Check out the "water crystals" link for pictures.
They discovered that saying certain things to water, being positive or negative, and they were found to change the water crystals(under a microscope)

IE: They said "You make me sick" to water, and the crystals would turn almost "bubbly" and gross looking, wheres when they said "Love and Thanks" to the water, it turned into these beautiful designs.

Even when when words were put next to them, they reflected the words. Check this out!

I found out this from the new movie "What the Bleep do you know?" It's a real mindblower, putting many questions raised by Quantum Physics into a "digestive" form for all audiences. It's really crazy, you all really need to check it out.
2004-10-30, 7:12 PM #2
Does it make small appliances dance to Jackie Wilson music?
2004-10-30, 7:15 PM #3
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Originally posted by matrixhacker
IE: They said "You make me sick" to water, and the crystals would turn almost "bubbly" and gross looking, wheres when they said "Love and Thanks" to the water, it turned into these beautiful designs.


this isn't ghostbusters II
free(jin);
tofu sucks
2004-10-30, 7:30 PM #4
This supports my theory that one day, water will form into this massive army and enslave us all.
2004-10-30, 7:34 PM #5
My first thought was also Ghostbusters II.
"I got kicked off the high school debate team for saying 'Yeah? Well, **** you!'
... I thought I had won."
2004-10-30, 7:39 PM #6
Water doesn't spontaneously crystalize. Those would be pictures of incredibly rare "snowflakes".

Read the first few lines of this link.
Little angel go away
Come again some other day
Devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say
2004-10-30, 8:04 PM #7
The concept is BULLS**T.
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2004-10-30, 10:13 PM #8
There are actually lots of experiments supporting the theory that thoughts can change physical events. The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Lab has been researching stuff like this for 25 years or so. It's really neat stuff.

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/

As far as water crystals go... water is actually a pretty strange substance. For example, I remember seeing something online about how water molecules actually have a "memory" of other things that were dissolved in them. Supposedly this is why homeopathy works, etc.

Aha, here is the article: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993817
Stuff
2004-10-30, 10:22 PM #9
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Originally posted by Echoman
The concept is BULLS**T.


you sir are... never mind
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2004-10-31, 2:46 AM #10
This is not the kind of "science" I believe in...
Frozen in the past by ICARUS
2004-10-31, 4:07 AM #11
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As far as water crystals go... water is actually a pretty strange substance. For example, I remember seeing something online about how water molecules actually have a "memory" of other things that were dissolved in them. Supposedly this is why homeopathy works, etc.


Homeopathy doesn't work. It's a confidence trick. Yes, it may have positive psychological effects, but there is no medical benefit to it whatsoever. It's nonsense.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2004-10-31, 12:46 PM #12
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
Homeopathy doesn't work. It's a confidence trick. Yes, it may have positive psychological effects, but there is no medical benefit to it whatsoever. It's nonsense.


Did you even read the link? It says that there may be a scientific basis for homeopathy.

But truthfully, I agree with you. Homeopathy makes no sense at all. It's the placebo effect at its finest.
Stuff
2004-10-31, 12:49 PM #13
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Originally posted by lassev
This is not the kind of "science" I believe in...
Science has learned little compared to what is unknown to us.
Catloaf, meet mouseloaf.
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2004-10-31, 1:10 PM #14
Pfft.... science sucks
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enshu
2004-10-31, 1:42 PM #15
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Originally posted by Tenshu
Pfft.... science sucks


Science rules...[/voice from beginning of Bill Nye]
Stuff
2004-10-31, 2:45 PM #16
heh, ghostbusters II is on right now, comedy central
free(jin);
tofu sucks
2004-10-31, 2:46 PM #17
Ghostbusters 1 is on right now, on my computer.

IMO, part II sucked.
Stuff
2004-10-31, 3:35 PM #18
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Originally posted by DogSRoOL
Science has learned little compared to what is unknown to us.


Indeed. It's certainly a cliche, but it's true that the more you learn, the less you realise you know of everything there is to know. Every solved question brings two new unsolved ones. But any sane person wouldn't wish it otherwise.

But still, I said what I said because I need some beliefs to structure my world-view. Right now it's hard science. But who knows, it might change one day.
Frozen in the past by ICARUS
2004-10-31, 3:49 PM #19
It's pronounced "Frahnkensteen".
2004-10-31, 5:55 PM #20
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Originally posted by Jereiaki
It's pronounced "Frahnkensteen".


Haha, yep... I just finished watching Ghostbusters, and I'm downlo.... errr.. *cough*... "about to go and rent"... Young Frankenstein.
Stuff
2004-10-31, 5:57 PM #21
they showed that in the movie What The Bleep, check it out
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2004-10-31, 8:56 PM #22
The site was basically: "Here is my theory and here are some random pictures of snow flakes to prove it."
2004-11-01, 8:31 AM #23
This site has some really beautiful photographs, and some very poetic dialogue, but it has no scientific worth whatsoever.

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Hado: The intrinsic vibrational pattern at the atomic level in all matter. The smallest unit of energy. Its basis is the energy of human consciousness.


This is the only part of the site that's even resembling some sort of scientific justification. and it doesn't really make sense.

- The 'intrinsic vibrational pattern' could be referring to be the small perturbation in the energy levels (or spectral) of atoms due to the proton-electron dipole moment interaction. This itself is not a 'unit of energy', it is hyperfine structure (this can be measured very accurately, and is the basis for the definition of the 'second').

- Or it could be talking about the natural frequency of simple harmonic motion, but this is not constant, not even at atomic levels.

but none of this has anything at all whatsoever to do human consciousness. Trying to link those two.. that would be something quite remarkable, and it doesn't even attempt to explain it. I would like to be able to say that this confusion might be due to the translation from the original Japanese, but some of it really just cannot make sense in any language.. like..

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Q. What kind of water can be said as most suitable to humans?

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   A. The water that you feel most comfortable with. Try placing yourself with water. We can ever select or insist on ones better than other. Love the water just like loving a man.


...

No, I think this is yet another attempt to try and 'link' science and religious philosophy, and it is a miserable failure. It has no scientific value, it has no religious value, it has no philosophical or theological value. It's pretty, but that's about it.
It's trying to somehow 'prove' that human beings are in some way superior or special compared to other animals, and also trying to 'prove' moral and cultural absolutes. Like:

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A. Every linguistics are created by the vibration of nature. Upon being taught by our parents and teachers we will be able to speak its language. But how did the people successfully take up their language at elementary ages? The vibration of the vast nature can lead us into its answer. Positive vibration had created beautiful words and negative vibration created negative words. Therefore, beautiful words create beautiful nature and ugly words create ugly nature. That is the root principle of the universe.


This basically suggests that all words are in some way onomatopoetic, even at an abstract scale. In that 'ugly' words are used to describe 'ugly' concepts, and that there is some universal agreement on what is 'ugly' and what isn't.
This is particularly amusing coming from a Japanese origin, as it would be perfectly obvious that there are pretty much no phonological similarities between English and Japanese at all.
Even within the European languages I know, I can think of many examples of words that mean something similar and do not sound alike in the slightest. There would indeed be some similarities, as European languages have mixed together a lot, but not because of any absolutes.

This alone is an interesting hypothesis. I imagine if you studied it in enough detail, you might find that words that are 'important' for the survival of humans might be phonologically 'different' in some way (such as a word like 'fire') immediately signifying danger. But the way the English language alone has changed and developed over time is so complicated that there can only be a few very specific generalisations that could be applied to human language as a whole (like, all words have vowels).

Even so, trying to 'link' this to water is...well...nonsense.
If I say a word in English and then in Japanese, how is the water going to 'know' what I have said?

Water is an unusual substance in that its density in a solid state is less than its density in a liquid state, whereas most other substances are the other way round. This is an incredibly important feature in terms of life on Earth, but it has nothing to do with anything mentioned on this site.

This is clearly playing on the growing Western popularity of traditional Japanese culture and philosophy, trying to mix science with it. I think the most telling part of this site is:

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Price: US $300 per sample and if you would like us to test a control water sample, you will have to pay for that too. Also you have to pay *International bank transaction fee and *shipping fee to get back the result by an express mai to you and these are the total price that you have responsibility to pay.


Also in that half of the site is dedicated to advertising books and seminars on the subject.
It's playing on the ignorance of customers to exploit them. Much like homeopathy. But that is a whole new area of nonsense...
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2004-11-01, 8:40 AM #24
Yah, Mort is absolutely right. This particular site is BS. It's unfortunate though, because if there is a scientific basis for controlling things with thoughts, it's things like this that absolutely ruin it. No scientist who values his or her reputation would ever study something like how thinking can change water crystals, because it would link them to things like this, and they would lose all their credibility.
Stuff
2004-11-01, 8:51 AM #25
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scientific basis for controlling things with thoughts


How?

I don't dispute it, I imagine that reactions between neurons in the brain may result in electromagnetic radiation (I'm quite certain it does, actually, without having any research on it yet), and that can be used for something useful. But I've never heard that it actually has. This might be how scanners can detect brain activity in different parts, but I imagine following the blood flow around the brain (PET scans, I think?) is just as useful and much much easier.
And I don't think that different thoughts would emit different frequencies of radiation, it's the same thing happening just in a different area of the brain, so there's not much you could really control with thoughts.

Edit: Ah, the thing I was postulating about is actually Magnetoencephalography (also called MEG, thankfully). I found this on one site:
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A single MEG device costs many millions of dollars and weighs about eight tons, so there are only a few worldwide.

heh. Still, cool.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2004-11-01, 9:45 AM #26
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We showed the word "War" to the water, Smashing through the crystal of "Peace", a crystal formed resembling the moment the jet airliners crashed into the World Trade Center on 9.11. Actually, the picture was taken in July of the same year. It almost appears as if water has predictive abilities.


right...
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2004-11-01, 10:46 AM #27
For an interesting experiment, try programming a pseudo-random number generator and then running it while thinking about the number "1" or something... see if after a few hunded thousand cycles, there is anything statistically significant.
Stuff
2004-11-01, 3:37 PM #28
Only that I tended to notice the number '1' far more.

I actually had it run a tally in the background of how many times each digit occurred, and '1' didn't occur any more often. I just noticed it more when it did, so it might appear to occur more often than other numbers.

Or did you mean for it not to display them?

And what did you mean by pseudo-random? I just used mIRC's random number generator, which I'm quite aware is far from 'random', but it's unpredictable enough to be useful.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935

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