I'm curious to see how many people here truly think Bush will reinstate the draft.

Personally, I can never see it happening. First off, if he's crazy enough to do that, the Congress still needs to agree to it, and any congressman that does is committing political suicide.

Plus, why would we need one in the first place? Are we planning on starting anymore wars soon? I know there is talk about Syria and Iran, but I think even the hawks in Bush's adminstration realize we need to handle one problem before we start another one.

And if we did need more soldiers, why not take some of the idle ones sitting around the world? Do we really need to keep tens of thousands of troops in Europe for no reason? I mean, send the guys sitting idly in Germany to wherever we need them. The guys in South Korea don't need to be there either, as North Korea is not going to attack us, and we're not going to attack them. That situtation is pure posturing.

So, anyway, in my opinion I don't believe the draft will be reinstated during the next four years. And I don't think it will even be brought up seriously either.

No. Bush has stated he does not support reinstating the draft. To my knowledge, the last time the draft was brought up in congress, it was by a democrat, and lost by an overwhelming majority.

I doubt a draft will be reinstated. Just sounds like a lot of left-wing propaganda to me.

We have PLENTY of volunteer soldiers in the United States. All this draft talk is just people caving into their fears.

No, like someone said, it was just scare tactic by the left side. The whole bill that was just in Congress to reinstate the draft got knocked down and was proposed by a Democrat. The guy that proposed for it even voted against it himself.

I think the whole rumor of it started either during the debate time period or right before. Then the Michael Moore's grabbed onto it and started spreading it around on colleges and elsewhere where people would get scared. I know even people I work with still believe its true though that Bush wants to start the draft.

I think that a draft being reinstated would cause protests 10x as bad as the whole war-movement area around the time of Vietnam. When the country is so divided, a draft just won't work as people don't want to fight for what they don't believe in.

Bush now cannot be reeleacted for another term, and people are using that to say, "OMG He's going to bring back the draft becuase he can!" Well first off, the Congress would never pass it. Secondly, Bush himself can't suffer, but he wants his party to get re elected in 2008, so if he even brought up the idea of a draft, that's a Democrat victory in 08 I 100% guarantee it. Bush does not want that. Thirdly, we simply do not need one unless we start more wars, which I can't say will not happen, but it's unlikely we will start a war while entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those who don't believe this I think are blinded by a hate for Bush, and now even moreso becuase this time he won straight up, with no contest.

Not going to happen.

Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio comments on the rumors of a draft.

I saw this the other day and found it interesting, so I just thought I'd present it to you guys. Now, as to whether I believe there will be a draft... probably not. As others have stated, I don't think it will be necessary.

'twas a good speech.

95% of it had nothing to do with the draft. He accused Bush of starting the rumor of the draft then went off on things completely unrelated.

Actually, much of the "reinstate the draft" rehtoric I've heard was from Bush's supporters, claiming that Kerry would be the one who'd have it re-instated, just as many Bush supporters are making all these stabs against people saying that Bush will re-instate it. (coincidentially, I haven't seen much aside from the likes of Michael Moore claiming that Bush will do something like that) I see that there is a sizable chance that it would've happened under either president.


Fixed.

almost makes me proud to be an ohioan again

but on the topic, sure i think bush could do it, that speach pretty much gives all the reasons for it

Begun, it already has...

Transcript on the speech, please? (link to, prefferably) My headphones broke some time ago, and I can't use the Internet at home right now (while we are going through the painful transition to broadband)

I highly doubt the draft's going to be reinstated. For one thing, it would be political suicide, thanks to the bad rep it gained during Vietnam. Plus, with modern warfare, we no longer have to rely on massive numbers of troops to be effective. So unless the situation in Iraq suddenly turns into WWIII, the draft is essentially obsolete.

It depends on what Bush does. If we invade and occupy North Korea and Iran, then yes, I believe the draft will be reinstated. Otherwise, no.

LOL have you read the results a whole impressive 7 to 30 obviously the question is answered.

No one would support the draft, even if it were needed for this "war on terrorism" to keep going.

Yes, Bush will probably bring back the draft. I believe he probably won't want to, but if things keep going the way they are now, he is going to HAVE to. 90% of all deaths in this war are american... the only war we have lost more than 90% in was the Civil War, and that's because both sides were Americans. Bush has "used" up all our military forces, so much that he had to send our "National Gaurd" over there. The same national gaurd that is used for defence.. (so much for raising our national security)... And after all of our National Garud is dead, the only thing left we have is the American People. This is why I say, if he don't lay off, he's going to HAVE to reinstate the draft.. even if he and congress don't want to.

He wouldn't reinstate the draft. It's political suicide, congress wouldn't support it, and odds are he would be impeached if he did and it would cause more problems than anything. Only half the people would go, we'd have riots. They want reelected in 08, so they won't do it.

Tim Ryan is a nutbag.

I've never heard anything from a bush supporter about it, only from a few democrats i know, most along the lines of this:

me: *something in support of bush*
them: Oh, yeah! well lets see if you feel that way when you get drafted!

and that wasn't an exageration. i've had almost that exact line said to me by at least 4 people, and more then twice by one person. Also, the main person i've heard talk about a 'backdoor' draft was kerry himself, during a debate, and was shot down by bush, who called it "an insult against all those voulenteers fighting for us", which it bloody well is.

This talk of a draft is simply rediculous. Bush would never do it, i don't care if you idiots say "oh my god, he's going to be a tyrant for the next four years, we're all going to hell!", he doesn't need the troops, nor will he comit such obvious political suicide. and also, despite what many people would love for you to believe, bush isn't an idiot, he couldn't have gotten reelected if he was. Not only would congress shoot it down, but he would never suggest it. It was all liberal propoganda, and will stay that way.

Dude, there have been 1000-1100 US death in Iraq. Even with the US taking 90% of the casualties, there is no need for a draft. Your numbers are way off.

i didn't say 90% of our army is over there.. I said 90% of deaths are American..... and it is a fact our Nations Gaurd is over there.... there is no one left he can kill for money, except the american people..

Only 90% of deaths in the Civil War were American? What were the other 10%?

omg, read the post.. I said 90% of deaths in THIS war is american.. the only time we have lost more people was in the Civil war... because both sides were American..... hence, Civil War = 100% american deaths

Gotcha.

90% of the deaths in the war is not the the same as 90% casualties. We have what, 200,000 troops in Iraq? 1000/200,000 = 0.5% casualty rate.

Not 90% of the american troops.. just 90% of all death because of this war.... it don't matter how many people it is. if 9 americans died, and 1 terrorist.... America still makes up for 90% of the deaths

Then again, I guess I may be bias, cause I believe that Bush is the most evil dictator that has ever came to power. When u look at Hitler and Stalin, they killed alot of people. BUT, they felt they were helping their country. Somewhere in Hitler's messed up head, he was killing Jews because he felt it was for the good of the "fatherland". BUT... Bush is killing his OWN people for Money. Not for the good of his country.. for the good of himself. And I don't care what anyone says to me or about me. No one can change my mind, so don't even try. It's my opinion.

well, at least you have the balls to actually admit your bias. there are few here who would do that.

... Those are some grade-A critical thinking skills you've got there, Spiral. I'm too awed to respond.

To answer the question: assuming nothing radical changes, no. I do not think we will go to war with Iran, Syria or North Korea, ever.

I am willing to be hired as a mercenary.

i didn't know i could love spiral any more than i already did, yet somehow i do

Spiral, in which war are you talking about? The Iraq war? Yeah, I'd say 37,000 Iraqis compaired to 1,128 Americans is far from 90%. In Afghanistan? I'm unable to find any reports of the amount of American deaths since January, and back then it was 100. I know a man with 32 confirmed kills in Afghanistan. So I very much doubt that 90% of the deaths there are American.

The lack of troops is due to Congressional limitations on the size of the active-duty military. Congress will simply vote to increase the size of the military long before a draft even becomes a remote possibility.

Too bad you are that close minded, because none of that is true.

well, I already voted "Yes" in the poll

1 congress is the only branch that can reinstate the draft.
2 Kerry was the one saying he wanted to increase the size of the armed forces by 40,000 people.
3 Bush has specifically said, "no draft."

I don't care if you're admitting your bias or not, you need to wake up from your little fantasy world where valiant Democrats ride around saving the country from the evil conservative dictator.

lol, you're funny