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Two dogs just killed two of our bunnies
2004-11-13, 7:48 AM #41
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Originally posted by Bill
Dude, a long time ago, a wise man uttered the phrase "sh*t happens." And that's a fact. The best advice I can give is "get over it."
Keep that in mind if someone you care about ever gets killed. Keep it in mind if you're ever on a jury convicting a rapist. Keep it in mind while thinking about 9/11. etc. etc.
Your BS philosophy doesn't quite work out so well, now does it? Reality is that it's just a phrase people throw around when they're to lazy to do jack **** about anything.
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2004-11-13, 7:49 AM #42
Just out of curiosity, who would you be holding responsible if the rabits were attacked by some wild animal?
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2004-11-13, 8:37 AM #43
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Originally posted by Bill
It's just as much your fault as it is their's. Granted their dogs should not have been on your property, but admittadly, this could have been avoided by your side easily.


Ooooh, okay. Yeah, Savage. Why didn't you prepare for a situation that shouldn't have happened in the first place? And for that matter, I think we should blame France and England for starting World War II -- I mean, if they had stopped Hitler from taking France, then the whole thing could have been averted!

**** happens, yeah. But when you decide to get a pet, you are assuming responsibility for that pet. Savage's only mistake here was assuming that these people were responsible enough to keep their pets off others' property, or, failing that, to assume the liability for their pets' actions in a case such as this.

The rabbits obviously meant a lot to Savage, and it's too bad that you can't appreciate that. He's not asking for the dogs to be put down. He's not asking for anything extraordinary. He didn't immediately call Animal Control, which was a nice thing for him to do, as is only doing so now as a last resort.
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2004-11-13, 8:56 AM #44
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Keep that in mind if someone you care about ever gets killed. Keep it in mind if you're ever on a jury convicting a rapist. Keep it in mind while thinking about 9/11. etc. etc.
Are you trying to put the death of two rabbits due to the negligence of the owner of two dogs on the same level as losing a human life, someone getting rapped, and thousands of people dieing in a single attack? Are you a member of PETA?

Anyway, Savage doesn't really have a case if he tried to sue or get the animals put down. He only has circumstantial evidence that the dogs were the ones that did it, and the owners can now simply deny the dogs were ever at his house now that they have them back. If the owners fessed up in court and said the dogs were in their backyard, they could then bring into question the negligence of Savage's own family and how the dogs were able to exploit any flaws in the fence that were not properly taken care of.

It's unfortunate what happened, but there isn't a whole lot of recourse Savage has if the other family refuses to pay.
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2004-11-13, 9:11 AM #45
In this particular case, I think Bill's "two words" really kind of summed it up best. No offense, Savage, but were these really beloved pets? I'm assuming that they were two of about thirty living in pens outside. For what purpose do you have all these rabits? Just curious and, no, I don't think any of it is relevant to the issue at hand.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2004-11-13, 10:29 AM #46
When I was in high school one of my good friends was killed in a car crash. I didn't cry. I didn't run around trying to kill the other driver that hit her. I didn't get pissed. I said to myself "there ain't sh*t I can do to bring her back, so get over it. That's life. Sh*t happens." And I moved on. So don't tell me how I would react to a PERSON very close to me dying.

Oh and by the way, she was also my first girlfriend.

As I have said hundreds of times before, people hold death as a much higher event than it should be. It happens to everything eventually. It's just a part of life... Although it is the last part. It's not sad, it's not unusual, and no one stole your bunnies from you before they were ready to go or any nonsense like that.

The food chain is a fact of life, just like death is. I don't see legions of chickens lining up on your front door every time you eat KFC.
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2004-11-13, 11:04 AM #47
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Originally posted by DogSRoOL
Just out of curiosity, who would you be holding responsible if the rabits were attacked by some wild animal?


If it was a wild animal then no one would have brought them into the area, and no one would have been responsible for controlling them. When you own pets you have brought a potentially deadly animal into a residential area and it's your responsibility to protect the community from your animals.
2004-11-13, 11:23 AM #48
The rabbit community? Sorry, I just found that abit humorous.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2004-11-13, 11:40 AM #49
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Originally posted by Bill
As I have said hundreds of times before, people hold death as a much higher event than it should be. It happens to everything eventually. It's just a part of life... Although it is the last part. It's not sad, it's not unusual, and no one stole your bunnies from you before they were ready to go or any nonsense like that.


Good for you that you feel that way. Savage doesn't, and he's not dismissing your beliefs on the situation as you are his. Learn a little empathy, buck-o.
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2004-11-13, 12:40 PM #50
Well, I wasn't really attached to the rabbits as much as my dad is because it is he that raised these rabbits with his heart and soul for the past 8 years. Yes, while it is partially his fault for not making the cages strong enough to with stand a dog's attempt to rip them open, I'll admit that. However, to say to him that "That's life! Get over it!" is just plain cold-hearted.

As for the dogs, they actually didn't come from the neighbor behind us like I thought. They actually travelled a good two blocks and broke into a couple of our neighbor's fences in order to get to ours. Also, about the two rabbits they killed, part of the reason those two died while the other 30+ didn't because those two must had paniced and busted out of the cage in order to flee. That has happened before, especially with the third-generation rabbits we have.

Anyway, while a tagedy has happened to us, I'll admit that my father has made a mistake in his construction in the cages and should had made them better but at the sametime, the owners of the dogs should had been responsible for not letting their dogs get loose and run amock. They should compensate us in some way to show that they are sorry for our lost and as a consequence for their actions.
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2004-11-13, 1:01 PM #51
Yeah, I would agree. The personable thing to do would be to at least apologize and offer to cover some reasonable costs. You would think that is how civilized people would behave. Unfortunately we live in a litigation happy society. They're probably scared that you're going to sue them so they're avoiding you altogether.
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2004-11-13, 1:18 PM #52
They probably just got pissed off when his parents demanded $100 from their daughter.
2004-11-13, 3:17 PM #53
why do you have rabbutz?
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
2004-11-13, 4:31 PM #54
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Originally posted by Bill
What don't I know? I have had animals in the past. Sometimes they get hit by cars, sometimes they just run off... Big deal. It happens! When my cat got hit by a car you didn't see me running around crying foul. It happens, it's out of your control.


Why the hell are you posting in this thread? The subtext to his post was "offer condolences and support", not "be contrary and tell everyone how much you don't care".

Anyway, you deserve a lot more than $100. You could make however much she gives you more meaningful by instead having them make a contribution to a no-kill animal shelter or SPCA.
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2004-11-13, 10:45 PM #55
I'm not saying that you're at fault, but you really should have fixed up that fence. If there's a dog-sized hole in your fence, sooner than later, you're going to see a dog in it.

I'd just let the cash thing go. Sure, you could say that they owe you money, but 100 dollars for a couple of rabbits? I understand that they meant something to your father, but they're worth little to nothing moneywise. The least they should pay for is the cage, and 2 new rabbits. That's like 30 bucks, if not less.

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2004-11-14, 12:51 PM #56
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Originally posted by Kieran Horn
Are you trying to put the death of two rabbits due to the negligence of the owner of two dogs on the same level as losing a human life, someone getting rapped, and thousands of people dieing in a single attack?
*slaps forhead*

re-read... previous... post... in context.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bill
When I was in high school one of my good friends was killed in a car crash. I didn't cry. I didn't run around trying to kill the other driver that hit her. I didn't get pissed. I said to myself "there ain't sh*t I can do to bring her back, so get over it. That's life. Sh*t happens." And I moved on. So don't tell me how I would react to a PERSON very close to me dying.

Oh and by the way, she was also my first girlfriend.

As I have said hundreds of times before, people hold death as a much higher event than it should be. It happens to everything eventually. It's just a part of life... Although it is the last part. It's not sad, it's not unusual, and no one stole your bunnies from you before they were ready to go or any nonsense like that.

And if we put this attitude into action, we no longer need prisons. There is no reason to care about anyone or anything, because everything passes away. Life is temporary. Hey, why not kill yourself right now and get away from the hastle?! Because... **** happens.
I don't think you realize the extremity of the "**** happens" philosophy.
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2004-11-14, 3:59 PM #57
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Originally posted by Bill
I don't have animals. What now?


What about yo momma?

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