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Modding = Hacking?
2004-04-12, 3:21 AM #1
He seems to think so and DS found it [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] Comments? Cookies? Random peeing in this guy's coffee?

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2004-04-12, 3:24 AM #2
yes, and he's totally true. For YEARS people who modify hardware in your somputer,code,etc in video games have been called "hackers". The term applies to a vast number of other things too.

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2004-04-12, 3:28 AM #3
uh... that's great matrixhacker. Really.


....But, I don't know if you noticed it or not, but he referred to Tribes as a film. He's probably one of those year old sacks of crap who sit in their cubicles all day chain-smoking and joking with their colleages about how they'll have to get Bill's 3 year old daughter to fix their computer, because they sincerely believe that technology has passed them by because they're old and not because they're stupid, and because they're stupid they don't realize the computer industry is owned by people in their late 40s. Man, I hate those guys.
2004-04-12, 3:28 AM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Paul "The Game Master" Hyman was the editor-in-chief of CMP Media's GamePower. He's covered the games industry for over a dozen years. His columns for The Reporter run exclusively on the Web site.</font>


Over a dozen years and he still doesn't understand the definition of hacking!

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2004-04-12, 4:12 AM #5
/meh slapz author with wang!1!1
But seriously, he doesnt understand at all.

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2004-04-12, 4:23 AM #6
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
uh... that's great matrixhacker. Really.


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I was referring to the title of the post, "Modding = hacking?"



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2004-04-12, 4:47 AM #7
lol. This thread is great.

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2004-04-12, 5:09 AM #8
1996? Pft, I was modding games on my old Ti computer in the 80's. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-04-12, 8:58 AM #9
/me waits for the flame-war to ensue...

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2004-04-12, 9:09 AM #10
I fail to see where he connects hacking to modding

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2004-04-12, 9:11 AM #11
That is insane if they don't want people to modify the games don't release the Source Development Kit. Simple enough.
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2004-04-12, 9:30 AM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jin:
Paul "The Game Master" Hyman</font>


Hyman...game master...hyman...game master...hyman...game master...

They go together so well.

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2004-04-12, 9:32 AM #13
Of course EA is going to make more money; they mass produce crappy games.
2004-04-12, 10:07 AM #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Freyr:
That is insane if they don't want people to modify the games don't release the Source Development Kit. Simple enough.</font>



I'm sorry, did I miss it when LEC released a SDK for Jedi Knights? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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[This message has been edited by SG1_129 (edited April 12, 2004).]
2004-04-12, 10:11 AM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SG1_129:

I'm sorry, did I miss it when LEC released a SDK for Jedi Knights? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]
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Thats ok, LEC's JK tools sucked.

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2004-04-12, 10:15 AM #16
First off: What was the point of that story? It seemed to be a couple of definitions, examples, and quotes from developers about modding in general. It revealed nothing to me. It didn't even put up any viewpoints.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Avenger:
I fail to see where he connects hacking to modding

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It connects to the real definition of hacker which is just someone who messes with a program's code, or is just good at coding. Fiddling with programs (or sometimes hardware) usually can be put into the category, hacking. (Assuming you know what you're doing)


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2004-04-12, 10:19 AM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
Thats ok, LEC's JK tools sucked.

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Cog previewing in the editor though!

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2004-04-12, 10:23 AM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GBK:
Thats ok, LEC's JK tools sucked.

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So true. Jed > Leaia

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2004-04-12, 10:23 AM #19
*sigh*

From the JARGON FILE:
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">hacker n. [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] 1. A
person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how
to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to
learn only the minimum necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically
(even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing
about programming. 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value. 4.
A person who is good at programming quickly. 5. An expert at a
particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it;
as in `a Unix hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and
people who fit them congregate.) 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind.
One might be an astronomy hacker, for example. 7. One who enjoys the
intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing
limitations. 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover
sensitive information by poking around. Hence `password hacker',
`network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker.

The term `hacker' also tends to connote membership in the global
community defined by the net (see the network and Internet address).
For discussion of some of the basics of this culture, see the How To
Become A Hacker (http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html) FAQ.
It also implies that the person described is seen to subscribe to some
version of the hacker ethic (see hacker ethic).

It is better to be described as a hacker by others than to describe
oneself that way. Hackers consider themselves something of an elite (a
meritocracy based on ability), though one to which new members are
gladly welcome. There is thus a certain ego satisfaction to be had in
identifying yourself as a hacker (but if you claim to be one and are
not, you'll quickly be labeled bogus). See also geek, wannabee.

This term seems to have been first adopted as a badge in the 1960s by
the hacker culture surrounding TMRC and the MIT AI Lab. We have a report
that it was used in a sense close to this entry's by teenage radio hams
and electronics tinkerers in the mid-1950s.</font>



DS: Cog previews arent really that useful, assuming youve named your cogs approprietly...

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2004-04-12, 12:13 PM #20
I have such an urge to write a complaint email...

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2004-04-12, 12:37 PM #21
What the hell is your problem? The guy is just trying to explain modding to a technologically inept audience. I mean, sure, "hacking" isn't the most acurate description, but is it really necessary to lash out at him? It's not like he's condemning it.

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2004-04-12, 12:41 PM #22
Hacker = Person with little to know life who likes poking around on his or other peoples computers trying to make them do cool **** [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

Most people think of hackers as evil [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] really the only evil ones are the attackers who use their knowlege to steal and/or ruin other people's data

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2004-04-12, 12:52 PM #23
Calling modders and programmers of mods "hackers" creates a negative image over the people today. Hacker does mean someone who explores programs for learning and experience reasons, but if you say that you are a "hacker," often people will think you perform illegal or mischievous tasks (as well as spending unhealthy amount of time at the computer.)

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2004-04-12, 12:52 PM #24
Although www.dictionary.com fails to come through, The fact is that using the term "Hacker" to define people who illegally get into other's computers is incorrect. The correct term should be "Cracking", just as the term was used for those who illegally opened other people's safes.

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2004-04-12, 12:55 PM #25
hack·er1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hkr)
n. Informal
One who is proficient at using or programming a computer; a computer buff.
One who uses programming skills to gain illegal access to a computer network or file.
One who enthusiastically pursues a game or sport: a weekend tennis hacker.

You're completely correct, the common image of a hacker is the second definition. The article is refering the first definition.

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2004-04-12, 12:55 PM #26
Also, I must say that Hyman was simply trying to put the subject into terms that the general public will understand. The general public has yet to realize that the "ultimate rig" is measured in Gigahertz, not horsepower or broadcasting channels.

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2004-04-12, 1:49 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jedi Legend:
Of course EA is going to make more money; they mass produce crappy games.</font>


Yah, those 'hit games' BF:1942 and BF:Vietnam did NOT exist. Not to mention all of the awesome sports titles a company by the same name releases for console. Crap indeed. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]

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2004-04-12, 1:54 PM #28
You forgot C&C Generals Zero Hour [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]

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2004-04-12, 1:57 PM #29
He should have made clear the difference between Hacker and Cracker...something Ive tried to over the years [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Boring article btw [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif] We all know it already.

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2004-04-12, 10:44 PM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JediHunter_X:
...sure, "hacking" isn't the most acurate description, but is it really necessary to lash out at him? It's not like he's condemning it.</font>


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SwedishBorgie:
You're completely correct, the common image of a hacker is the second definition. The article is refering the first definition.</font>


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">From the article:
What's going on here? When did hacking suddenly become legit and, in fact, a big part of the marketing strategy of video game publishers and developers?

The answer is that some -- but not all -- video game companies are actively encouraging a form of hacking called "modding" (for modifying), in which gamers change parts or all of a game by altering its code, sometimes with tools supplied by the game's developer.
</font>


Yes, he is casting modding in a bad light. The industry already has enough **** with ignorant house wives claiming video games teach children to kill - it's not going to help if they think installing SBX is the equivelant to any form of hacking, in relation to how it's currently viewed in the public eye.

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2004-04-13, 5:47 AM #31
*passes out flamethrowers and napalm for the insuing flame war.*

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2004-04-13, 7:55 AM #32
Mods are not hacking. In the same way you could declare Linux as a way to exploit Windows security flaws. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]

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2004-04-13, 8:58 AM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">"Yes, modding extends the life of our games and it helps build community around our games," Rein said. "But it also helps us find terrific talent which we hire from the modding community. At one time, half the people who worked for us were chosen because of their modding work -- level designers, artists, programmers, everything."
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