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Russia to develop new nuclear systems
2004-11-17, 5:55 AM #1
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=J4JECJJ2KCPDOCRBAE0CFFA?type=worldNews&storyID=6839563
http://www.afp.com/english/newsml/stories/041117113252.evyajhen.html
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Washington argues its shield would only be capable of defending the United States from attacks from so-called "rogue states" and could not stand up to Russia's massive Soviet-era nuclear arsenal.

However Putin has since mentioned plans for Russia to also develop a similar system along with new types of intercontinental missiles that Moscow claims could penetrate any space shield put up by the United States.


I'm getting that cold war vibe.

The USA said "screw it" to the ABM treaty three years ago with the missile defense system, and the Bush administration's war on terrorism has enabled Putin to do pretty much anything in the name of this war. The Chechens are even worse off than they used to be and what democracy Russia has managed to establish is diminishing.

Putin is becoming a dictator, basically. Which is pretty bad considering he's ****ed up.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2004-11-17, 5:58 AM #2
Sweet! Oh...wait..

YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME! COMMUNIST MAZZAZZI UNITE!
D E A T H
2004-11-17, 6:00 AM #3
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Sweet! Oh...wait..

YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME! COMMUNIST MAZZAZZI UNITE!


lmao liked that link at the end :)
Echoman: If I can create energy from stupidity, the world's power supply will never end...
2004-11-17, 6:10 AM #4
What link <_< >_>
D E A T H
2004-11-17, 6:24 AM #5
Metal Gear...!?
2004-11-17, 6:39 AM #6
Russia is ridiculously corrupt and totally empoverished. The country is essentially run by the Russian Mafia. There's no way Russia could attain its former power with its current economic system.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2004-11-17, 9:40 AM #7
Hehe... capitalism killed Russia.

In any case, I seriously doubt there would be another cold war... too many people are still alive and in power that remember the last one.

But give it 20 more years, and I could see it happening.
Stuff
2004-11-17, 10:34 AM #8
I doubt that Russia will actually be able to recover enough to actually develop any new weapon systems... Heck, they needed US help to guard and dispose of their existing WMDs!

When the Liberals do a job, they do it well, as is the case in unleasing CAPITALISM to shatter the Evil Communist SOVIET EMPIRE. (think Star Wars text crawl)
Wake up, George Lucas... The Matrix has you...
2004-11-17, 10:47 AM #9
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Originally posted by kyle90
Hehe... capitalism killed Russia.

In any case, I seriously doubt there would be another cold war... too many people are still alive and in power that remember the last one.

But give it 20 more years, and I could see it happening.


Exactly why it could happen. There's still the people that want to kill all the commie pinkos.
"Those ****ing amateurs... You left your dog, you idiots!"
2004-11-17, 12:11 PM #10
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Originally posted by Axis
Metal Gear...!?


Aw don't even start that ****. :)
2004-11-17, 2:06 PM #11
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Originally posted by kyle90
But give it 20 more years, and I could see it happening.


By that time the U.S. will have rail systems on battle ships and silver towers in space.
omnia mea mecum porto
2004-11-17, 4:16 PM #12
Oh, good. Now the US will sign a peace treaty with Russia and we will both promise to get rid of allot of our weapons. We will, Russia will say it will and won't. Doh! Why did Einstein invent nukes! No more good old-fashioned slug it out wars. Cold wars are no fun. :p

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Originally posted by nottheking
When the Liberals do a job, they do it well, as is the case in unleasing CAPITALISM to shatter the Evil Communist SOVIET EMPIRE. (think Star Wars text crawl)


Sense we've never seen liberals do a job like that, I'll just take your word for it. :p
2004-11-17, 4:23 PM #13
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Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
Oh, good. Now the US will sign a peace treaty with Russia and we will both promise to get rid of allot of our weapons. We will, Russia will say it will and won't. Doh! Why did Einstein invent nukes! No more good old-fashioned slug it out wars. Cold wars are no fun. :p



Sense we've never seen liberals do a job like that, I'll just take your word for it.


1) Einstein didn't 'invent' the nuclear weapon, he theorized it.

2) [#2? Don't tell people to shut up. - Sine]
D E A T H
2004-11-17, 5:51 PM #14
http://yoshmaista.shockzero.com/ <-- Heh, I did that ages ago. I can't belive you kept it up.
Think while it's still legal.
2004-11-17, 5:59 PM #15
Where's that Communist Restaurant menu when we need it?
Stuff
2004-11-17, 6:04 PM #16
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
Oh, good. Now the US will sign a peace treaty with Russia and we will both promise to get rid of allot of our weapons. We will, Russia will say it will and won't. Doh! Why did Einstein invent nukes! No more good old-fashioned slug it out wars. Cold wars are no fun. :p



Sense we've never seen liberals do a job like that, I'll just take your word for it.


I have so many comments I could make about that, and the fact that you're republican. But I'll bite my tounge. Most of them would get me banned.
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Last Stand
2004-11-17, 6:26 PM #17
In Soviet Russia, nuclear systems develop you!
2004-11-17, 7:03 PM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
Oh, good. Now the US will sign a peace treaty with Russia and we will both promise to get rid of allot of our weapons. We will, Russia will say it will and won't. Doh! Why did Einstein invent nukes! No more good old-fashioned slug it out wars. Cold wars are no fun. :p

Correction: netiher country will get rid of its nukes. Russia will cite financial problems, while the USA will cite terroist problems; both of which will hold up roughly as badly.

Also, it was previously mentioned that Albert Einstein merely theorised them, and was pressured by others to suggest the possibility that one might be built to Franklin Roosevelt. Of course, none of Einstein's research was used by the other nations that have developed nuclear weaponry.

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Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
Sense we've never seen liberals do a job like that, I'll just take your word for it.

Just to let you know, if it wasn't for capitalism, we'd likely be living in a communist country. And no, the Republicans hate real capitalism, the kind that means "free trade, open market." A prime example was the Bush steel import tarriffs, (unless you've conveniently "forgotten them") which is a very bold move against capitaslism, and a strike toward mercantilism, which is the economic system favored by the Republican party; capitalism was aproduct of Liberalism. Don't try to disprove my comments about economic systems here, claiming your correct just because you're a well-known Republican fanboy; just trying would show how little knowledge in the area of Political Economy you know; the above is fact, not opinion; it's how our beloved USA has withstood centuries, and many, many empires that attempted to defeat us, only to die themselves.
Wake up, George Lucas... The Matrix has you...
2004-11-17, 9:31 PM #19
Deja vu, Comrades.
The man in black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed...
2004-11-17, 9:32 PM #20
lol just because they are developing an new system doesn't mean communism is being resurected from the grave guys. :p
2004-11-18, 1:26 AM #21
haha, those funny ruskies still think they're a military power...
2004-11-18, 1:41 AM #22
Eh. I'm a bit skeptical when Russia makes threats while more of its soldiers die off-duty than fighting in Chechnya. Our reason for pulling out of the ABM, the missile shield, wasn't going to protect us from Russian nuclear weapons anyway.
A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.

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art
2004-11-18, 7:33 AM #23
"You can't hug your children with nuclear arms." :p
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2004-11-18, 11:54 AM #24
Is anybody else reminded of John Titor's predictions? All we need to do know is start a civil war in the US within the next year...
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2004-11-18, 12:17 PM #25
I never follow predictions of that sort. They are nonsense.
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2004-11-18, 2:22 PM #26
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Originally posted by Ric_Olie
Is anybody else reminded of John Titor's predictions? All we need to do know is start a civil war in the US within the next year...


And a major war with Israel that will completely destabilize the Middle East by the end of December...
omnia mea mecum porto
2004-11-18, 4:39 PM #27
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Originally posted by Roach
And a major war with Israel that will completely destabilize the Middle East by the end of December...


Arafat did just die...
D E A T H
2004-11-18, 4:56 PM #28
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Arafat did just die...

Because Arafat's death is going to send Israel to war...

If anything his death will hopefully help prevent a "war", if that's what you could call the engagements between the Israelis and Palastinians.
2004-11-18, 4:59 PM #29
SAJNnnnnnn modessttttyyyyy.
2004-11-18, 5:09 PM #30
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Originally posted by DJ Yoshi
It heightens the likelihood, at least for a while. Any major upset in rule can create a war, as the opposing side may take advantage of the potential weakness the other side would have.

Someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Need his bottle? Or just snappish for no reason


[jesus, I am a complete dumbass. DJ Yoshi, I meant to reply to your post but instead I edited it. My apologies!]
D E A T H
2004-11-18, 5:24 PM #31
Titor was interesting, the world situation is interesting. But all his statements have so many outs. If nothing happens by 2007 say people will say Titor was, "in the wrong dimension", that his predictions were for a slightly different dimension.
Kenya, Now with lions and tigers.
2004-11-18, 7:03 PM #32
Hee hee. It's easy to troll around here.


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Just to let you know, if it wasn't for capitalism, we'd likely be living in a communist country. And no, the Republicans hate real capitalism, the kind that means "free trade, open market." A prime example was the Bush steel import tarriffs, (unless you've conveniently "forgotten them") which is a very bold move against capitaslism, and a strike toward mercantilism, which is the economic system favored by the Republican party; capitalism was aproduct of Liberalism. Don't try to disprove my comments about economic systems here, claiming your correct just because you're a well-known Republican fanboy; just trying would show how little knowledge in the area of Political Economy you know; the above is fact, not opinion; it's how our beloved USA has withstood centuries, and many, many empires that attempted to defeat us, only to die themselves.


The above is opinion and mud slinging. Not fact. Look up the definition in the dictionary. I could tell you why Liberalism is socialistic, and back it up with good evidence,
but it would do no good. :rolleyes: Debates around here aren't very intelligent anymore. I will argue with Mort-Hog but this is just stupid.
2004-11-18, 7:20 PM #33
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Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
Debates around here aren't very intelligent anymore.


And who's fault is that, Obi_Kwiet[/i][/u]? Whose?

Liberalism can lean in a socialistic way--but it can also lean towards conservative, capitalistic thinking.
D E A T H
2004-11-19, 4:36 AM #34
Obi_Kwiets, please, show me a real argument that follows all the rules of a mature debate instead of "olololol u suck, I'm not gonna tell u why, but u do"
Yeah, you stay here and take life seriously. I'll go and have some fun.
2004-11-19, 5:24 PM #35
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Originally posted by Axis
Metal Gear...!?


Coincidentally, "Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater" was released about two days ago.....
2004-11-19, 8:08 PM #36
It's about damn time.
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