OH SWEET GOD YOU MADE ME THINK OF DODGEBALL'S ENDING, YOU HORRIBLE HORRIBLE PERSON.

Affirmative action is bull****. The system was horribly abused and it led to unqualified people getting spots at schools and jobs over people who were qualified. That's not cool. People these days are not disadvantaged like they were fourty years ago. There are plenty of opportunities for people to get an education. The problem is not a lack of opportunity.

In my opinion, race, gender, sexual prefence, etc. should not have anyhting to do with getting a spot in school or a job.

The only way affirmative action is going to change is through the Supreme Court, because there is no politician with the balls to even mention a reform of the system.

Affirmative action isn't a federal program. AA was taken off the books about 6 years ago here in California.

It's not? Then how do I find out which states practice it?

Such as free trips to Guantanamo Bay?



I mean, it's just terrible how many CEOs these days are foreign, black, gay women, isn't it? The rich white guy just can't get ahead, these days...

If AA isn't a federal program, then why do federal agencies adopt it?

What federal agencies? If it were a federal program, then Califirnia couldn't have taken it off the books.

The US Forest Service does (or at least it did a few years ago . . . )

That's what I'm talking about

For the record, I don't totally believe in Affirmative action. Though, i think its good that some companies make it a policy to hire those with physical or mental disablities. As for race and stuff, thats a bit much. But when we are talking people who actually might have trouble getting a job, if the company can hire them then I think they should. There's not many things I can do that a guy in a wheelchair can't, well actually he's probably more independent than I, so he can probably do more than I can. ****, this isn't helping me get a job...

But really, I don't think that people are oppressed for being a different race. Though the subway in my home town was sort of racist. If you weren't east-indian than the owner didn't like you. Go figure.

Wow, I never expected a reponse like this, over a 2 minute long dispute to boot.

Ok, I follow everything everyone has said, but I also think this situation has been blown waaaaaay out of proportion. We'll see today anyhow, when I head back to work today. Already I've had a phone call last night queing about what happened. Now everyone knows that I "might" be a racist.

Woe is me...

Well that's what we're saying. You shouldn't hire based on race, gender, or sexual preference. Even physical disabilities it depends on the job--someone who's in a wheelchair can't help stock a warehouse.

Meh it's not better than Canadian Indians getting away with paying no taxs on things they buy because of an incident that happend well over a hundred years ago now.

I wish I was Indian I hate GST and PST.

It's Aboriginal Peoples of Canada (Including First Nations, Inuit and Metis). And they pay PST and GST usually, however they are exempt from certain income taxes, specifically if they live on a reserve.


Exactly my point though. They jobs they can do are limited in some senses. Now that's not to say that they aren't every bit as able to do certian things. That's why if a company makes it a point to hire them as a door greeter, for example, all the better. I can take the job stocking shelves, so I'm not going to be bitter that they got a job like that.

But you see, the whole point of affirmative action is that it allows people to be hired on a basis other then their qualifications!

Take Universities for example, many of them have a lower gpa requirment for minority students! There is a blatent message right there, and it basically states that minorites aren't as academically capable as whites, so they should be given an extra push.

There have been many cases where a minority student with lower grades was accepted over a white student with better grades. This is what affirmative action does and it's wrong!

So if you think that qualifications alone should dictate who gets the position, then you should be AGAINST affirmative action.

Thanks for reading the rest of the thread before quoting something I said several posts ago Yeah, I explained my actual views on Affirmative Action. The rest I said was to stimulate conversation.

Well, I have gone back to work yesterday, and now I find two groups of people, clearly defined.

One is the management team, and everyone else not on the hourly pay scale. They say they agree with me about what happened, but their hands were tied by the Union. I had to be suspended.

The other half is mainly all the hourly employee's. Some of them won't even look at me, or if they do, it's a side-long glare. And these people are mostly foreigners from countries that are in some sort of turmoil.

But there are also other people who are actually my friends. They don't count, because they didn't care what happened.

Weird, eh?