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Airsoft insight
2004-11-24, 7:45 PM #1
Hey guys, I've been looking into Airsoft recently, and I'm totally lost, I'd like to know what brands, and types of AirSoft guns are the best, I'm probobly going to be buying one off of eBay, so I'd really like to know which would be the best choice, etc. I heard an AEG Airsoft Rifle is a good choice.. what exactly is an AEG? I also knwo there are spring ones, and aren't there gas-operated ones also? Thanks!
BTW, If I got an Airsoft rifle, I'd want a H&K G3A3/PSG-1/G3 SAS model of it, do you know what brands have that model? --Oh, and what kind of headwear/face protection do most people use while playing?
2004-11-24, 8:10 PM #2
Oh, and what are some good product sites, with a good selection, etc.?
2004-11-24, 8:20 PM #3
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Originally posted by -Monoxide-
Hey guys, I've been looking into Airsoft recently, and I'm totally lost, I'd like to know what brands, and types of AirSoft guns are the best,


If it doesn't cost you hundreds of dollars, it's worthless. There's this 'cheap' version of airsoft they sell in big stores, but they're really just toys for kids. You want something that can shoot BBs at a velocity of a -least- 250 feet per second (non-upgraded).

For AEGs and low-end spring pistols, the best is Tokyo Marui. If you want a gas gun, there's Tokyo Marui, Classic Army, Western Arms, and a couple others.

There's three main types of airsoft guns. Actually there's four, but the fourth one is useless.

Heck I'll just tell you about it right away so you can forget about it and never bring it up again. :p

They're called EBB (electric blow back) guns. They're grossly inacurate, and you could shoot one directly into your palm at point blank range and not feel a thing. If you're planning to get an EBB, do yourself a favor and get a straw instead. Or yet, throw BBs with your hands.

AEGs (automatic electric gun) are the most common kind of airsoft guns. They're operated from a small or large regargable NiCD battery and can fire on semi-automatic or full automatic. The battery powers a set of gears that pull back a spring attached to a piston that propells the BB. Basicly if you're getting started, you should be getting one of these. They're relatively low-maintenance and come in variety.

Then, there's gas guns. Cheaper gas guns operate on duster gas (stuff you use to clean your keyboard). The better quality (full metal) gas guns use green gas, or propane + silicone oil. You fill the mag with gas, and when you pull the trigger, the gas expands and propells the BB. They make some pretty good sidearms, but they're expensive. Another downside is that they don't function very well, or at all in cold temperatures.

Spring guns are semi-automatic only. Meaning that everytime you shoot, you have to cock them. Most spring guns are sidearms (cheap 100$ springers) or shotguns (slightly more expensive) but you also have high-end sniper rifles that cost anywhere from 500 to 2000$.

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I'm probobly going to be buying one off of eBay


That's a mistake. Get one from an online store. It's your best bet. Alot of guns on Ebay are of the cheap variety I talked about earlier, and they may not be in their best condition.

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so I'd really like to know which would be the best choice,


Nearly all AEGs perform the same. It's really just a question of looks. Here's a couple of factors that affect performance;

-The size of the battery (bigger batteries last longer)

-The material used (typically ABS plastic or metal. The material isn't always indicative of how solid a gun is. For example, the cocking handle on MP5 variants -always- breaks. They're generally very fragile guns. However, AK variants are very solid and feel just like metal)

-The barrel lenght (longer barrel means more accuracy, shorter barrel means more maneuvrability)

So in short, there really isn't a gun better than the other.

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BTW, If I got an Airsoft rifle, I'd want a H&K G3A3/PSG-1/G3 SAS model of it, do you know what brands have that model?


Tokyo Marui has them all.

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--Oh, and what kind of headwear/face protection do most people use while playing?


You can use goggles or a paintball mask.

Most airsoft players use balistic goggles. The downside is that, even if your goggles are designed to stop a shotgun blast, they won't let you wear them on paintball fields (unless they're paintball goggles) Also, you run the risk of getting mouth injuries (chipped tooth).

Paintball masks are allowed everywhere and protect your whole face. The downside is that they make using the iron sights on some guns nearly impossible. If your gun has no stock, you should be fine. My gun has a stock, and when I try to aligh my eye with the iron sights, the cheek from the mask blocks me, and prevents me from getting close enough. Also, if you plan on wearing a helmet, you're going to have to use balistic goggles.

What alot of people do is, they get painball masks where you can remove the goggles and wear them seperately. Or even, they buy masks and cut out the cheeks, leaving the mouth and ear protectors.
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2004-11-24, 8:31 PM #4
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Originally posted by -Monoxide-
Oh, and what are some good product sites, with a good selection, etc.?


I presume you live in the US.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com

Whereever you order from, make sure they have something like this:

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For certain countries such as the United States and Taiwan, RedWolf will perform the necessary work for free to ensure the shipment complies with all local customs regulations. These include trademark removal and painting the muzzle to the compliant orange tone.


I imagine customs must be alot more loose in the US, but there might still be restrictions.
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2004-11-24, 8:35 PM #5
http://www.wgcshop.com/
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2004-11-24, 8:36 PM #6
http://www.airsoft-war4.com/w4_aeg.php?b=Marui
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2004-11-24, 8:41 PM #7
Lol, based on your information, I'll probobly be getting a Tokyo Marui... :p, also, what's the max effective range I could shoot someone at with one of these (I'm sorry about this, but I'm more primative to paintball, I've been playing Paintball for the past few years). BTW Thanks Flex!


(P.S., are AEG's usable in harsh Minnesota winters? Say.. -10F to 32F?, we have hot 90F summers, but will AirSoft be playable in the winter?)
2004-11-24, 8:44 PM #8
What Flexor said pretty much covers it all.

On the subject of BB's, dont skimp on price. The lower quality ones tend to have moulding marks and can be misshapen too. Take a look around, Excel used to be pretty good, and probably still are. Tokyo Marui's own are of course good.

The weights of BB's affect their accuracy (due to the BB being blown off course by wind) and of course their range. Heavier BB's (0.3g and up usually) are typically used for single shot or semi automatic weapons - as theyre more expensive you dont want to be emptying 6000 rounds per day. Can get a bit expensive.

Any gaming site that gets you to chrono (measure the speed of the BB that your gun fires) your weapon will require that its done with a 0.2g BB. So when getting your weapons together, make sure that theyre going to be Ok with 0.2g even if you only intend on using something like 0.4g

@Flex, did you ever post on UKAN or ASCUK?
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2004-11-24, 8:46 PM #9
hmm, I can't really give you numbers off the top of my head.

There's a ton of factors that influence range.

Firstly there's this thing called 'hop up' on airsoft guns. When you shoot, this mechanism spins the BB on itself, giving it a little upwards swing and making it go further. Secondly, the power of your gun (in feet per second) also influences your range. Also, the weight of BBs you use will affect the range. Using 0.1g BBs won't go far. There's also 0.15g, 0.2g, 0.25g and 0.3g. The last two you really shouldn't be using unless your gun is upgraded or already particularly powerful (like high-end snipers). I use 0.2g BBs with a stock AEG. They're slightly more expensive than 0.15s and 0.1s though.

There's also something called tracer BBs and tracer units. Those things are very cool but also very expensive. :p

Basicly what they do is give your BBs a 'charge' that makes them glow in the dark. So when you fire during a night game, you can see realistic gun flashes everywhere.

But yeah, very expensive. :p
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2004-11-24, 8:47 PM #10
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Originally posted by FullMetal

@Flex, did you ever post on UKAN or ASCUK?


Nope. I'm on airsoft canada.
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2004-11-24, 8:50 PM #11
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Originally posted by -Monoxide-

(P.S., are AEG's usable in harsh Minnesota winters? Say.. -10F to 32F?, we have hot 90F summers, but will AirSoft be playable in the winter?)


Your gun should still work, but won't be as powerful. Personally, I don't play below -10c. Below that the temperature becomes a hazard for your gun (mechanism can crack). Never play in freezing rain either.

Also, if you plan on playing in winter, you might want to get a gun that fits a large battery, seeing as they become depleted faster when it's cold.
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2004-11-24, 8:53 PM #12
Are Classic Army airsoft rifles good choices too? Because they have some cool models..
2004-11-24, 8:58 PM #13
IIRC, Classic Army had a thing for metal bodied rifles. Except they always ended up not fitting properly...

Look around for a Tokyo Marui SR-16. Theyre nice, trust me. Just... get a barrel-wobble fixing kit whilst youre at it, or get the shop to do it for you.
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2004-11-24, 8:59 PM #14
CA guns are getting better and better, but this is the general rule:

Tokyo Marui: quality internals, cheap exterior

CA: cheap internals, quality exterior.


Sometimes people buy TM guns and put them in CA bodies just because they're all metal. Some CA guns are good, but for AEGs I'd stick with TM.
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2004-11-24, 9:01 PM #15
I'll step back and let Flex do all the talking - his knowledge is waaay more up-to-date :)

Which reminds me... must get downgrade kit >.< stupid 360fps P-90.. grmbl.
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