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GPS used to moniter teen driving speeds.
2004-12-11, 1:31 PM #1
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/tech/main660381.shtml

Saw this on Slashdot. At first, between the Slashdot caption and what I read led me to believe that this movement will be defeated by a generation of vastly intelligent super-teens who will just... turn off their cell phones!

And then I realized maybe this is the real reason? It's a win/win (or lose/lose, depending on how you look at it) situation. Parents keep their kids driving at safe speeds, or if the kids want to speed they have to turn off their cell phones, reducing distractions!

I'm against the idea either way... but still. Fun to think about.
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2004-12-11, 1:42 PM #2
**** that ****. I'm driving as fast I want, and as fast as I feel reasonable with my abilities and car, unless there are others around.
2004-12-11, 1:44 PM #3
I usually drive around 10km/h above the speed limit, and I'm usually still going slower than the adults around me.
2004-12-11, 1:54 PM #4
Well, one more reason to go for the cheaper phones - they won't have GPS.
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2004-12-11, 2:46 PM #5
The technology is already out there, just not in the cell phones. You can get tracking stuff like that for you car.
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2004-12-11, 3:02 PM #6
If the teens are driving around in cars owned by their parents, on insurance paid for by their parents, then I dont see what the big deal is. The parents should have every right to know how fast their kid is driving in that situation.
2004-12-11, 5:57 PM #7
I still consider it to be an invasion of privacy. If the driver is 18 or over, then this practice must certaintly be illegal w/o consent. (Minors essentially have no rights.)
2004-12-11, 5:58 PM #8
Page, read the article. Parents would have to purchase this for their teens.

2004-12-11, 6:11 PM #9
One problem with this is that we'll have generations of kids growing up with a "big brother" over their shoulder, so when the government starts passing laws requring this stuff so you can get automatically ticketed when you speed, they won't have as much of a problem with it.
2004-12-11, 6:52 PM #10
Wow that's cruel, teens might actually have to look for the off button on their cell phones? Where will their reasons for living go?

Ya know the thing about this is if a teen has nothing to hide, then why worry so much?

If they wanted to be invading privacy, the parents will probably soon be able to get their kid drugged and a GPS chip implanted in their body.
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2004-12-11, 7:17 PM #11
It's probably less safe to not have cell phone turned on. ALthough I guess if there's an emergence you can turn it on easily enough. I don't know---I think that if you have a cellphone it should be on just in case someone needs to contact you in an emergency, regardless of it tracking your speed.
2004-12-11, 7:40 PM #12
I'd rather have to phones off than people yakking on them while they are driving. People on the phone at the wheel can not maintain a constant velocity and they have no clue what the hell is going on around them.
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2004-12-11, 7:52 PM #13
Quote:
Originally posted by Jedigreedo
Ya know the thing about this is if a teen has nothing to hide, then why worry so much?


Do you drive the speed limit at all times?
Of course not.

This opens the option to book people for speeding when it's not even an issue.
2004-12-11, 9:13 PM #14
You really shouldn't be speeding anyways. It endangers you AND everyone around you. Seriously
D E A T H
2004-12-11, 9:17 PM #15
Not always, in Toronto a lot of the speed limits are poorly planned, and should be higher in some areas, lower in others.
2004-12-11, 9:18 PM #16
Amazingly, i agree with Yoshi. also, cell phones draw battery power even when they are off, jsut at a much reduced rate. much like a graphing calculator, although the later is because it uses volitile memory, not sure if that's the case for the cell phone. therefore, the chip could still function when the phone is off. however, they could always leave it at home, but most teens today would probably conisder that worse then aputating a leg. poor saps.
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2004-12-11, 9:59 PM #17
Quote:
Originally posted by Jedi Legend
It's probably less safe to not have cell phone turned on. ALthough I guess if there's an emergence you can turn it on easily enough. I don't know---I think that if you have a cellphone it should be on just in case someone needs to contact you in an emergency, regardless of it tracking your speed.


Not too long ago, I barely escaped an accident (Thank you FALKEN for saving my car..) -- the driver at fault was on a cell phone..made a left-hand turn *into* the car in front of me. I did manage to avoid the truck, the car, and the mirror in the middle of the road, with only a minor cost of tire rubber. If he wasn't on a phone, it may not have happened -- if I *was* on the phone, I probably would've clipped the truck (was halfway in my lane).
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2004-12-11, 10:36 PM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by Jedi Legend
It's probably less safe to not have cell phone turned on. ALthough I guess if there's an emergence you can turn it on easily enough. I don't know---I think that if you have a cellphone it should be on just in case someone needs to contact you in an emergency, regardless of it tracking your speed.


believe it or not, there was a time not too long ago when people didn't all ahve cell hpnes,a nd they got along ok in emergencies. Cell phones can be really helpful in such cases, yes, but if you compare how many times they help in emergencies (when they are owned by a person in the emergency, not someone driving past) as compared to the amount of times they cause an accident, i think the later would win by a considerable degree. understand: i do not know this for fact, it is speculation.
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2004-12-11, 10:39 PM #19
There were people before cell phones? Not possible.
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2004-12-11, 10:41 PM #20
Drive the speed limmit. That's the moral of the story, there shouldn't be any further argument. People get hurt, or people don't get hurt. You decide.

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2004-12-11, 10:52 PM #21
Speed limit 60, child is running directly in front of you. Drive the speed limit.
2004-12-11, 11:05 PM #22
wow, mikus, you just totally destroyed what he was saying. You know very well he didn't mean that. And you know that driving below the speed limit isn't the problem we're discussing, the phone chip doesn't send a signal when you're going too slow. All that does is maybe get someone behind you a bit angry. its going faster that causes the accidents. its when a child runs out in the street and gets hit by a guy going 50 in a 25 MPH zone that's the problem.
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2004-12-11, 11:16 PM #23
There are a lot of zones that SHOULD be 25 that are 50 though. And some 25s that should be 50. Speed limits are determined by certain criteria of the environment, rather than the actual reality of the situation. It's not as cut and dry and you're making it out to be.
2004-12-11, 11:28 PM #24
There's nothing wrong with going under the speed limit. There's everything wrong with going over. Why? Because one's against the law, and one's not. And guess which one SAVES lives?
D E A T H
2004-12-11, 11:45 PM #25
I hate to break it to you, but impeding traffic is against the law, so going under the speed limit, or simply not going as fast as everyone around you is more dangerous and more illegal than speeding. Talk to a CHP sometime, they don't always pull over the guy going 85 MPH, sometimes they pull over the dolt in the fast lane going 70 with 5 cars stacked up behind him (oh yeah, ignore the talk to a CHP part if you don't live in CA).

As far as the main topic goes, I'm all for infringing on people's privacy. Cameras everywhere that stop all criminal activity wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion.

However, I don't feel cell phones are particularly distracting by themselves. It takes a person who lacks the control to pay attention to what's important (the driving) for it to become a danger issue.

QM

P.S. - I remember seeing posted minimum speed limits in other states, I wish California had posted minimums.
2004-12-11, 11:53 PM #26
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
You really shouldn't be speeding anyways. It endangers you AND everyone around you. Seriously


the speed limits were set decades ago, when cars had poorer handling and s***ty brakes. The current speed limits are obsolete, b/c cars are much improved and can easily safely handle higher speeds than what are posted.
2004-12-12, 12:08 AM #27
Quote:
Originally posted by Quib Mask
I hate to break it to you, but impeding traffic is against the law, so going under the speed limit, or simply not going as fast as everyone around you is more dangerous and more illegal than speeding. Talk to a CHP sometime, they don't always pull over the guy going 85 MPH, sometimes they pull over the dolt in the fast lane going 70 with 5 cars stacked up behind him (oh yeah, ignore the talk to a CHP part if you don't live in CA).

As far as the main topic goes, I'm all for infringing on people's privacy. Cameras everywhere that stop all criminal activity wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion.

However, I don't feel cell phones are particularly distracting by themselves. It takes a person who lacks the control to pay attention to what's important (the driving) for it to become a danger issue.

QM

P.S. - I remember seeing posted minimum speed limits in other states, I wish California had posted minimums.


That's different. In-town going 40 in a 50 zone, or hell even 35 is frowned upon, but most of the time they can't do jack about it. No one should go slowly on the interstate, of course, but I'm talking more in-town limits.
D E A T H
2004-12-12, 12:19 AM #28
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
That's different. In-town going 40 in a 50 zone, or hell even 35 is frowned upon, but most of the time they can't do jack about it. No one should go slowly on the interstate, of course, but I'm talking more in-town limits.


If you're backing up traffic you can be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic, it's not just speed-dependent, it's also traffic-dependant.

Quote:
Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS
the speed limits were set decades ago, when cars had poorer handling and s***ty brakes. The current speed limits are obsolete, b/c cars are much improved and can easily safely handle higher speeds than what are posted.


Who told you that?

First OLDER CARS STILL DRIVE ON THE ROAD, so the speed-limits aren't "obsolete" since the older cars are still being driven, maybe not much, but any still keeps it from actually being obsolete.

But, as was said earlier, speed limits are set based on specific criteria, such as the number of houses along a road, and such...

At least that's what I've been told from both my parents (one of which used to be a cop)
2004-12-12, 6:50 AM #29
Quote:
Originally posted by Shintock
**** that ****. I'm driving as fast I want, and as fast as I feel reasonable with my abilities and car, unless there are others around.


I suppose that will be your defense in court for when they finally catch you living your driving philosophy?
2004-12-12, 7:50 AM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by MechWarrior
I suppose that will be your defense in court for when they finally catch you living your driving philosophy?

I have a built-in radar detector, I just slow down when I feel one coming. :p And by speeding, I didn't mean dragging down a 50 zone at 120. I'm talking about 10, 20, at most 30 km's over the limit, and the police around here seriously don't give a **** about speeding. I was doing 140 on the freeway with a cop following me and he never did anything.

Oh, and I have been caught for speeding, and I plead guilty and lost my points, cash and license. I got it back 3 months later.
2004-12-12, 8:14 AM #31
Quote:
Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS
the speed limits were set decades ago, when cars had poorer handling and s***ty brakes. The current speed limits are obsolete, b/c cars are much improved and can easily safely handle higher speeds than what are posted.


So I suppose that human reaction time have been upgraded and improved at the same rate as cars have?

Face it, at 60mph, you have less than a second and a half to react to something happening to the car right infront of you.. At 80mph... you have less than that..

I might be against the GPS thing, but speeding is just dumb.. Yeah, everyone does it. Yeah, it's sort of funny to be driving the speed limit on the freeway and have people honking their horns at you and blazing past you faster than the Millenium Falcon, but still..

And for the driving too slow thing: I think you're just shooting in the dark for a point you can beat. Sure, driving 30 in a 50 zone is dumber than driving 60 or 65 in a 50 zone, but when we're talking about going slower than the limit we mean more like 50 in a 55 zone.. Well within the safety threashholds.

You can try to justify it any way you want, and sure, sometimes the road tells you you should be going 50, and you're crawwwlllinnngggg along at 30, but believe it or not, there is a reason (more than the Man trying to keep you down) that you're going 30. You think you can handle it, and it doesn't effect anyone else, until you reach down to fiddle with the radio and when you glance up, someone had cut you off and you were going 30mph over the speedlimit and then.. poof!
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2004-12-12, 10:12 AM #32
Yeah, "I'll drive however fast I want, nyaa!" just sounds like the alternative statement for "I'll rape babies and kill people as long as I don't get caught, NYAA" Both ends up hurting someone, whether you believe it or not. I lost my aunt and her unborn child to speeding, and the guy wasn't drunk at all. Just didn't think he needed to slow down in the middle of winter as people were sliding down the hill. She slipped out into the road. Had he been going the speedlimmit: 35, he would have had ample time to stop, what with being 40 feet down the road when she began to slip. but at 60 miles an hour down a residential area, it's pretty difficult to stop on glare ice, isn't it? I suggest you all shove your egoes up your *******s and accept that the law is there for a reason, for once.

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2004-12-12, 10:29 AM #33
Quote:
Originally posted by Quib Mask
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2004-12-12, 10:33 AM #34
Quote:
Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY
Yeah, "I'll drive however fast I want, nyaa!" just sounds like the alternative statement for "I'll rape babies and kill people as long as I don't get caught, NYAA" Both ends up hurting someone, whether you believe it or not. I lost my aunt and her unborn child to speeding, and the guy wasn't drunk at all. Just didn't think he needed to slow down in the middle of winter as people were sliding down the hill. She slipped out into the road. Had he been going the speedlimmit: 35, he would have had ample time to stop, what with being 40 feet down the road when she began to slip. but at 60 miles an hour down a residential area, it's pretty difficult to stop on glare ice, isn't it? I suggest you all shove your egoes up your *******s and accept that the law is there for a reason, for once.

JediKirby

I'm sorry to hear that happened, but not everyone who speeds is stupid enough to speed in bad wheather conditions. I have a lead foot, but during winter I am a very cautious driver. There's a difference between being a rapid driver and a stupid one. You don't speed on snow, in the rain, in residential zones, in school zones, etc... On an empty freeway on a sunny day, I don't see who it's hurting though.

:( For your Aunt.
2004-12-12, 10:39 AM #35
And that's about the only time it's ok to speed. But good god, you people make it sound like it's your god given right to speed wherever you feel confident enough to do so. No. Not at all. Speed when you're the only one who's going to die.

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2004-12-12, 10:42 AM #36
I don't feel that it's my God-given right, on the contrary, no normal citizen is allowed to speed. However, I do feel that if the conditions allow it (as I said earlier), that there's nothing wrong with speeding if I feel hurried or if I just want that extra thrill that comes with driving faster.
2004-12-12, 12:14 PM #37
Let's see....someone can either follow the speed limit and reduce the amount of traffic accidents or they can exceed the speed limit because of an over-sized ego and risk the possiblity of having to pay money to the government in the form of fines and/or accidently hit someone and get charged with reckless behavior and involuntary manslaughter(at least) and made a prison *****. I can only see this as a win-win situation.
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2004-12-12, 12:20 PM #38
Because driving the limit will automatically reduce the number of accidents? Bull****. People not paying attention are far more likely to cause an accident than someone going over the limit.
2004-12-12, 1:21 PM #39
What is the point to driving over the limit? Whenever I drive, it doesn't take much time out of my day. If you drive over the limit it doesn't matter if your paying attention or not... the laws of physics cannot be broken! Sure, you may be a good driver. You may be able to see things and react quiker than many others. That still doesn't reduce your chances of collision with another vehicle substantially enough to make it safe or right. Any one who wants an accident and screw their driving record can speed if they want to. Just be prepared to pay a lot more money for insurance (not to mention paying for repairs and perhaps a speeding ticket). Anyone with common sense would know that the benefits of driving over the speed limit are extremely outweighed by the benefits of driving according to the law.
One more thing. Didn't anyone think of what the law was made for?
If I my car was monitored for speed, I can sit back and relax knowing that it doesn't matter. I do, however, understant the encroachment of your privacy and understand how people think that such an action should not be carried out, but it must be pointed out that speeding is illegal too.
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2004-12-12, 1:27 PM #40
Quote:
Originally posted by Helix
What is the point to driving over the limit?


Depending upon distance, a 5-10 mph speed increase can shave off quite a bit off your travel time -- going between 75 and 80 in a 70 zone reduces my travel time from college to home from 1 hour, 30 minutes to 1 hour.
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